Quote Originally Posted by henzilla View Post
Maybe a discussion to be had over in The Great Outdoors in the bicycle thread
I disagree. The bicycle thread would be an echo chamber of agreement. Here with a more diverse reader group whose general interests include road safety, is a better place to have this discussion. Like the internet everywhere, one can not expect to use this forum to change opinions.

Having been summarily dismissed as a millennial delicate snowflake (at the tender age of 65!) I find this posting in ScienceDirect to be uniquely relevant.