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    FWIW I've had PR 5s on my R1200RS for over a year...in fact just put on the 2nd front to pass inspection. Very satisfied...so much so I see no reason to change.

    My BMW dealer installed these with no comment about needing a GT tire. I agree with the earlier post that says if the tire meets the recommended specs....that should be good enough!

    I see no need unless some one wants a stiffer (harsher riding) side wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vtbob View Post
    FWIW I've had PR 5s on my R1200RS for over a year...in fact just put on the 2nd front to pass inspection. Very satisfied...so much so I see no reason to change.

    My BMW dealer installed these with no comment about needing a GT tire. I agree with the earlier post that says if the tire meets the recommended specs....that should be good enough!

    I see no need unless some one wants a stiffer (harsher riding) side wall.
    It seems that there is a misunderstanding. I was told the GT doesn't have stiffer sidewalls but an extra belt. This would be why they both have the same weight rating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vtbob View Post
    FWIW I've had PR 5s on my R1200RS for over a year...in fact just put on the 2nd front to pass inspection. Very satisfied...so much so I see no reason to change.

    My BMW dealer installed these with no comment about needing a GT tire. I agree with the earlier post that says if the tire meets the recommended specs....that should be good enough!

    I see no need unless some one wants a stiffer (harsher riding) side wall.
    I also have Road 5s on my R1200RS and currently have over 4,00o miles on them. They are a great all around tire. On my recent trip to Helen, GA they were great in the 400 plus miles of rain. Sometimes the rain was significant for miles on end. Once down in northern GA the Road 5s were excellent on the twisty roads.

    When I need new tires I will be replacing them with another set of Road 5s.

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    I just read on two French motorcycle websites, this one and this one that the Road 5 GT is now available, however I haven't found any other source. Not even Michelin's own website.
    Maybe it's going to be a France only tire?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoorUB View Post
    Color me confused!

    What is the big gripe? That a manufacturer recommends a certain tire, but no others? I have been riding for 50 years and buy tires that fit, not what is recommended. I have neve looked at manufacturer's recommendations, just size, speed and weight spec's. Have we all gone crazy since the arrival of the internet?
    In this case the manufacturer's recomendation of using a "GT" tire is completely valid. The relatively heavy BMW RT needs a GT tire for longevity. I've worn out two sets of "GT" tires on my 2018 RT. I got about 15,000 km out of a set of Metzeler Roadtec Z8 tires and the same from a set of Michelin Pilot Road 4 tires. Without knowing better I then installed a set of Road 5 tires. Thought I'd give another shop some business. Road 5 GTs weren't available yet. Big mistake. They were toasted after only 10,000 km. The Road 5 GT is now available in Europe and Canada. I have a set. They're great (so far). We'll see how many kilometres the Road 5 GTs last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patm View Post
    I just read on two French motorcycle websites, this one and this one that the Road 5 GT is now available, however I haven't found any other source. Not even Michelin's own website.
    Maybe it's going to be a France only tire?
    The Visor Shop has them and are pretty good price wise. I got them in 2 days to PA and have gotten other stuff from them and they ship very fast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LFarling View Post
    The Visor Shop has them and are pretty good price wise. I got them in 2 days to PA and have gotten other stuff from them and they ship very fast.
    I bought my Road 5 GTs from The Visor Shop. The price was great, even after paying for shipping, customs, and handling through DHL. The very next week, early November, my BMW dealer here had them on the shelf. I got 2000 km on them before parking for the Winter. Love them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LFarling View Post
    The Visor Shop has them and are pretty good price wise. I got them in 2 days to PA and have gotten other stuff from them and they ship very fast.
    Yeah, it took michelin a while but now even my favourite local shop and my dealer have then in stock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patm View Post
    It seems that there is a misunderstanding. I was told the GT doesn't have stiffer sidewalls but an extra belt. This would be why they both have the same weight rating.
    Michelin's web site has a 120/70/17 in GT and standard, both load rating 58 and a 190/55/17 GT and standard both at load rating 75 !! According to another Michelin web page the GT is described as ... well, it's still not clear.


    p.s. I also found a good load rating guide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CABNFVR View Post
    Michelin's web site has a 120/70/17 in GT and standard, both load rating 58 and a 190/55/17 GT and standard both at load rating 75 !! According to another Michelin web page the GT is described as ... well, it's still not clear.


    p.s. I also found a good load rating guide.
    Load rating is part of it. But that in and of itself does not explain either carcass stiffness or squirm. And these latter factors have an effect on handling regardless of load rating alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    Load rating is part of it. But that in and of itself does not explain either carcass stiffness or squirm. And these latter factors have an effect on handling regardless of load rating alone.
    Yep, but like I always thought the GT was a higher rating. It's fine that it's not, just confusing as to the structure. Something is there for handling the higher end of the load range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pappy35 View Post
    Different tire but that's gotta be why my RT feels like it handles so much better now with the new Battlax T31 GT's I just put on. I mean, seriously, I thought the shocks were going even though the bike only has 13,500 miles on it.

    When I bought it last year the dealer put on a set of ContiMotions which, looking at them now, do not have a GT spec carcass! With the old rubber, the bike always felt loose, wobbly even, in turns (especially through bumpy turns). Now the bike goes through like it should. Just like it's on rails!

    Reading this thread got me thinking about it. Now I know what carcass weave feels like! I don't know about the PR5's but I now definitely believe the a GT-spec tire is not an option on machines in this weight class.
    Iím not a conti fan but your not correct about needing stiff sidewalls ona bike that doesnít weigh in at the minimum spec for a GT tire, no does it make enough hp for a GT tire. Your whole basis is incorrect. A softer side wall tire in the case of a non-GT tire on the rt would provide better feel in mountain cornering than a stiffer side-walled GT tire. The extra stiffness. The GT tire provides is for bikes in excess of 700 lbs plus cargo and or the 150 hp+ bikes that torture rear tire caucusís. I mean after all itís not the bike or tires fault your packing 300 lbs with your gear on plus luggage and running 32 lbs of air because thatís what BMW says you need for a soft cushy ride feeling.

    Fully loaded passenger and with rider aboard, the RT barely enters the Pilot 5 GTs load range specification. A K1300GT or a K1600 is a different matter, thatís what that tire was meant to be used for, plus a few other non- BMW bikes.

    The moral of the story is, if you want to get that squirmy feeling out of your seat, calm your imagination, put some air in your tires and run a few laps to lean out the fat layers loaded into your buttocks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pappy35 View Post
    $605 for a pair of tires? Holy Hanna!!!
    You guys kill me, you go tho the dealer and have him do all the work, install your tires and bitch all the way home about how much it costs, go get qualified! Hop on over to cycle gear and buy a pair of Pirelli STs or a pair of Contis for $165. Pick up a set of tire irons and tire lube. Go watch a few YouTube videos on how to change a motorcycle tire. Last year I rode to the national rally on my Ducati Multistrada with a new Pirelli ST rear tire, why because it was $135 bucks. With all my gear loaded I used the Skyline Drive and Blue Ridge Parkway as the main route to head south for Tennessee.

    I passed plenty of BMWs going and coming from the rally. None were up to the challenge of keeping pace with fully loaded Multistrada and my $135 rear tire. Iím so tired of hearing about the winers needing the $300 rear tire on their stability ABS controlled RTs. Go learn how to ride. Da.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rwl1955 View Post
    not many dealers will mount tires for you that you bought off the internet, they cite liability but we know they want the markup/profit. I live in a apartment complex and don't have the work area to remove the wheels. Like I said I priced the tires online and could have purchased a set for around $350.0.
    If you want to buy your tires from Revzilla online, you can go to Cycle Gear store and buy the same exact tires for the same price and have them mounted on your rims, youíll have to bend over and pull them off the bike yourself. You can do that in any parking lot,j especially in California weather, unless your neighborhood is on fire! Da.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 35164 View Post
    Snipped ..........The GT tire provides is for bikes in excess of 700 lbs........
    Try as I might I cannot find what Bridgestone and other tire makers used to state in black and white fitment guides, specifically that GT Specification tires were for machines in excess of 500 lbs. Now the descriptions are vague descriptions of heavy weight sport touring machines and/or refer to particular motorcycles all of which are in excess of 500 lbs.
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