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    2020 R1250rt

    I'm traveling for the winter again on my r1200rtw. Acouple weeks ago ,while visiting a dealership in Texas I was talking to an employee about all the new shiftcam bikes.I asked him to check the parts numbers for the tft display on the new gs,rs and r bikes. Just like I suspected all three have the same display.I suggested that probably the next rt will have it also. And i suggested that maybe the next rt will finally have a modern headlight(led or projector). This individual agreed and told me he's heard rumors that the next rt will also feature new safety features currently not available on any motorcycle .
    All those bikes mentioned got a face lift along with the tft display but the rt looks almost identical . Do you guys out there think next year would be too soon to expect to see an RT with a facelift,tft and headlight up grade?Has anyone else heard any rumors on the RT's future? I love my current bike but swore I wouldn"t buy any new bike until after this one has 200k on it. I would be disappointed to buy a current RT and a year later they come out with the upgraded model .

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    I think the RT will either be updated or replaced with a new model based on the S1000 engine and platform. The current RT model is very dated and a declining percentage of BMW motorcycle sales. Putting the new 1250 engine in the RT was a very inexpensive way to extend the life of the RT while eliminating the "wet head" engine from the lineup.

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    I’d be seriously tempted by an RT with the 1250 engine, but wrapping the S1000 powerplant in RT-style bodywork would be a non-starter for me, based on maintenance costs if nothing else. Factor in the difference in engine personalities and it just magnifies the off-putting. Lastly, such a bike would cannibalize sales from the K1600 series.

    No thanks.

    OP, I get your trepidation but it’s faced every year by buyers of every model. Find what you like, buy it, and enjoy the ride. Newer models just act as “Squirrel!” calls you just need to ignore or resist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesertBob View Post
    Putting the new 1250 engine in the RT was a very inexpensive way to extend the life of the RT while eliminating the "wet head" engine from the lineup.
    The "ShiftCam" is a Wethead with a variable (or binary) intake cam, the associated actuator, and a couple of other minor changes like a different type of cam drive chain. There may be other differences but in any way that matters the 1250 is a Wethead so it's not accurate to say they eliminated the Wethead engine from the lineup.
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    Just a rumor from my local dealer the “21” will get a complete makeover

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    Heard by 2037 you won't even recognize the RT....sounds fascinating, I may wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Motodan View Post
    Heard by 2037 you won't even recognize the RT....sounds fascinating, I may wait.
    Do you really want the first year of a model change

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    Quote Originally Posted by strataj View Post
    Do you really want the first year of a model change

    Jay

    Probably not. Still remember hearing 1984 "R" was last one. Maybe I'll just wait and see....or not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Motodan View Post
    Heard by 2037 you won't even recognize the RT....sounds fascinating, I may wait.
    Quote Originally Posted by t6pilot View Post
    Just a rumor from my local dealer the “21” will get a complete makeover

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbem View Post
    All those bikes mentioned got a face lift .
    The only 2019 Wethead to get a facelift is the RS and that was a very minor change due to new headlights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strataj View Post
    Do you really want the first year of a model change

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    If nobody wanted a 1st year model there would never be a second year. Or a new model at all. We have had five 1st year model bikes and none of them were particularly troublesome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strataj View Post
    Do you really want the first year of a model change

    Jay

    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    If nobody wanted a 1st year model there would never be a second year. Or a new model at all. We have had five 1st year model bikes and none of them were particularly troublesome.
    Paul I was just joking. I too am an earlier adopter, I got the first arriving Wethead RT in February 2014 and my 02R1150RT was among the first. Both great bikes and happy to have them from day 1!

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    Quote Originally Posted by henzilla View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by strataj View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by strataj View Post
    Do you really want the first year of a model change

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    Paul I was just joking. I too am an earlier adopter, I got the first arriving Wethead RT in February 2014 and my 02R1150RT was among the first. Both great bikes and happy to have them from day 1!

    Jay
    Yes, I got a first one around '14 Wethead also, but it certainly wasn't trouble free according to BMW (rear strut)....they did buy it back. And of course the 2008 RT had a slight (ended in a recall) antenna ring malfunction that left me stranded and without it for three weeks, but who's counting? However, the majority of new models I've had have been trouble free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbem View Post
    ... Do you guys out there think next year would be too soon to expect to see an RT with a facelift,tft and headlight up grade?Has anyone else heard any rumors on the RT's future? ...
    I too have heard 2021 rumoured, but all of it is just wild speculation until there are spy shots or real hints dropped by BMW itself.

    You could also see a 2 or 3 tiered approach.
    • 2019 attracts sales from everyone who is interested in the bike (hard not to be if you're an RT lover)
    • 2020 adds LED headlight and TFT screen and draws in more sales
    • 2021 sees 4%-8% bump in HP and draws in even more sales (afterall the original test mule made 149HP without working hard)

    That would time everything quite well for 2022 to have a new body-style. I think that BMW, like others have always tended to deliberately time their upgrades and improvements to not syphon off sales from other areas and to make multi-year changes when possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by DesertBob View Post
    I think the RT will either be updated or replaced with a new model based on the S1000 engine and platform. The current RT model is very dated and a declining percentage of BMW motorcycle sales. Putting the new 1250 engine in the RT was a very inexpensive way to extend the life of the RT while eliminating the "wet head" engine from the lineup.
    Absolutely no idea where you would get that idea. Can you provide some links to any sources indicating BMW considering "eliminating the "wet head" engine from the lineup", or them thinking of "the S1000 engine and platform"?

    Any new engine (or significantly new like the Shift Cam) is expensive to develop. That is exactly why you don't see any new Victory motorcycles. Polaris needed to develop a new engine for the Victory motorcycles to meet the (then) upcoming Euro 4 and Euro 5 regulatory standards and that meant negative cashflow for too many years, so goodbye Victory it is all now Indian.

    I believe that is also a significant part of why BMW introduced their Heritage line to use the Camhead Boxer engine. That engine (4th generation of the modern Boxer) was no longer going to be able to provide the power and fuel economy needed in a new touring bike market and meet newer emission standards, so, the 5th generation Boxer (Wetheard) was developed and the 4th Gen was used as the base for the R nineT and it's offshots.
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