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    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    These are about 2/3 in weight and in speed of the 49cc Sears and Roebuck Allstate Moped (by Puch) I bought when 14 years old. I suspect they will in fact lead some riders to small bikes, and then some of them to bigger bikes. I know for a fact that oldsters thought I was a menace on my moped. Some of them told my parents that was true.
    Might lead one or two oddball kids to real bikes, but I suspect that the majority of youngsters using them wish that the things drove themselves so they could keep playing with their phones.
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    My home town of Portsmouth NH, which is small (pop 21K, swelling to over 60K in the summer) but congested and rather tight on parking, has decided to allow any vehicle which qualifies as a moped (50cc or under, automatic clutch, no shifter, top speed of no more than 35 mph) to park on the sidewalks with no charge for meters etc. In NH, mopeds do not require a motorcycle license. On any summer day it's not unusual to see 100+ scooters parked around town. Both my wife and I have such scooters and they are our preferred method of transportation as long as weather permits. Scooters are the favored transportation for many of the downtown workers as well as automobile parking in the downtown area is likely to cost about $8.00 per day. Some of these hardy souls run their Honda Ruckus scooters (the favored scoot of the young) throughout the winter. Based on our local experience I'd suggest that small scooters are a useful device for urban transportation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anyname View Post
    My home town of Portsmouth NH, which is small (pop 21K, swelling to over 60K in the summer) but congested and rather tight on parking, has decided to allow any vehicle which qualifies as a moped (50cc or under, automatic clutch, no shifter, top speed of no more than 35 mph) to park on the sidewalks with no charge for meters etc. In NH, mopeds do not require a motorcycle license. On any summer day it's not unusual to see 100+ scooters parked around town. Both my wife and I have such scooters and they are our preferred method of transportation as long as weather permits. Scooters are the favored transportation for many of the downtown workers as well as automobile parking in the downtown area is likely to cost about $8.00 per day. Some of these hardy souls run their Honda Ruckus scooters (the favored scoot of the young) throughout the winter. Based on our local experience I'd suggest that small scooters are a useful device for urban transportation.
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    I am still talking about dockless scooters, not moped style Vespas and the like. There is a large presence of moped/Vespas running around but the stand up and now sit on scooters is the new territory. Scooter is a broad brush...like saying you ride a F650...more info needed please The BMW scooter and a dockless Bird are miles apart.

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    Texas, and the City of Austin are confused on licensing requirements. A 50cc moped requires a motorcycle endorsement license and a helmet if under 18. A 49cc moped needs no motorcycle license or registration, but on both the operator is supposed to hold a valid driver license...see, I am already confused.
    The stand up scooters say licensed drivers and you agree to terms and conditions on the unlock app about helmets...rare. Seeing two up is not uncommon. Seeing folks who appear to me under 18 as well.
    The stand up e-scooters may reach speeds of 15mph and can ride on sidewalks in some places and not in other certain downtown zones. UT says only where bicycles can go, no sidewalks basically. Real life has them riding in traffic lanes going around parked cars and buses loading. There are some crazy YouTube videos of them on ATX streets.I have interacted with them on motorcycles and a cage. They are supposed to use the marked bike lanes when possible. At least I can ride my bicycle faster once moving and get away from the novice user.

    http://www.kut.org/post/blindsided-s...e-riding-safer

    https://www.statesman.com/news/20181...stin-this-year

    The new sit down scooters can go 20 (somewhere I saw 35 is possible with software, but shorter travel as a price)

    The CDC and COATX are doing a study linked above in the article of a dead battery stop issue.

    Mobility and common sense have not met yet and the rules and enforcement are on a different plane as well.
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    Another report from CA and SATX


    https://www.cnet.com/news/electric-s...g=CAD0610abe0f


    Read San Antonio has put a moratorium on additional permits as they try to figure out the issues

    https://m.mysanantonio.com/news/loca...s-13558386.php

    I guess it will level off and maybe be litigated into submission
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    Austins first fatality a few days ago. The local emergency rooms say at least one scooter incident patient per shift , which they said are eleven rotations daily?

    The rider was going wrong way on I-35 frontage road near the downtown entertainment district and was struck by a driver entering the uphill ramp to I-35.
    One of the responses is they have lighting for night use...if you see the lighting...pretty weak and the taillight is about 4" off the ground.

    https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...ied/1754383609
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    Quote Originally Posted by henzilla View Post
    .if you see the lighting...pretty weak and the taillight is about 4" off the ground.
    Watching the video the light is hard to see. Small and way too low.
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    The next version

    These three wheelers were on display during SWSW in Austin...scooters were so yesterday
    25MPH capable

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    Revel Temporarily Ends Scooter Service In New York City after two deaths.

    https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2020/07/...new-york-city/

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    E-scooters are fun and practical, but there is definitely a learning curve on how to ride them safely.
    The handling is squirrely with the small tires and road defects like small potholes and ridges are best avoided. As with bicycles, a helmet and gloves and even knee and elbow guards should be worn although most people don’t bother.
    They work very well for “last mile” trips in a city, from the bus station or parking lot to work and back.
    In most places they are regulated like bicycles, but with increased popularity that may change. E-bicycles are also getting to be very popular but aren’t as portable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    Revel Temporarily Ends Scooter Service In New York City after two deaths.

    https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2020/07/...new-york-city/

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    Saw mention of this thread elsewhere today...

    Actually rode into downtown Austin last Saturday night to see what’s happening. After retiring from city, rare to find me anywhere near... on a motorcycle at night for sure.

    The main north/ south drag downtown from the capitol building to SOCO( South Congress where everything is new and buzzing) had road cones separating outside lanes for “ bicycles” by signage, but occupied by e- stand up scooters, e- bikes, and a few people powered old school bikes. All had a headlight and tail lite of
    some sort but so low you had to really be scanning with them darting in and out of every conceivable spot. Some with two on a stand up which makes for a very stable platform... not.
    The newest option are the Revel mopeds mentioned. They are out in traffic! Come with two helmets, but my informal survey saw minimal compliance. They do up to 35mph as mentioned and I saw few skills being shown other than zip to next light. I had two on my wing for a few blocks getting odd looks in my gear. Let’s just say a bad thing waiting to happen and already a few incidents like NYC... go figure! Did get some backseat riders asking me to take them with me... But I digress! The amount of Saturday night traffic and activity with the restrictions on bars and such didn’t seem to alter the buzz down there.

    All the E- whatever’s have a geo fence to keep them in certain areas, which just makes them thick in the areas that allow them. Pretty crazy for even my moderate temperament.
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