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    Quote Originally Posted by henzilla View Post
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    Local interagency escort training before heading out for live rolling drills...not picking on them as they are not the only folks where tradition may trump modern thoughts. The cool thing to see is the female Moto a few riders ahead of the hi-viz left rear. APD has two I know of and a friend of mine actually had a chat with the one in pic...still got the ticket he justly deserved that day.
    Contrast that with standard UK practice:

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    I actually laugh every time I hear or read the "opinion" of a person which is absolutely contrary to data and facts. Certainly that person is entitled to that opinion but I have no obligation to do anything but consider it, and then laugh.
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    The lion does not even bother to turn his head when he hears the small dog barking.

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    Like most other issues that have personal opinions attached to them, I wonder if this thread will change any of our opinions? I suspect it will not. For sure, it will not change my opinion. I will continue to wear as much Hi-Viz gear as I can wrap around my fragile carcass. I will continue to hang bright YELLOW lights on the front of my bike(s). And I will continue to think negative thoughts ("There goes another dummy.") about other riders who make different choices.

    Good luck to all of us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by royce View Post
    Like most other issues that have personal opinions attached to them, I wonder if this thread will change any of our opinions? I suspect it will not. For sure, it will not change my opinion. I will continue to wear as much Hi-Viz gear as I can wrap around my fragile carcass. I will continue to hang bright YELLOW lights on the front of my bike(s). And I will continue to think negative thoughts ("There goes another dummy.") about other riders who make different choices.

    Good luck to all of us.
    It's my opinion every little bit helps, I'll take all I can get for being more visible
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    Quote Originally Posted by royce View Post
    Like most other issues that have personal opinions attached to them, I wonder if this thread will change any of our opinions? I suspect it will not. For sure, it will not change my opinion. I will continue to wear as much Hi-Viz gear as I can wrap around my fragile carcass. I will continue to hang bright YELLOW lights on the front of my bike(s). And I will continue to think negative thoughts ("There goes another dummy.") about other riders who make different choices.

    Good luck to all of us.

    Well ………… in this "Butterfly-chasing, tree-hugging, no one does anything bad, everyone makes the team, we're all winners, all forms of drugs and behavior are acceptable, let's re-write history, no one should be criticized" bunch of cell-phone zombies walking around on egg shells, I find your personal philosophy a breath of fresh air.

    Shocking news World: there is right and wrong; there is smart and dumb; there is good and bad," and the only way a society evolves is to voice opinions (currently rebadged as 'bullying'), and get people to at least reconsider improving their path. Get over it.

    As for Hi-Viz, though not the only factor, definitely an important one. Dress to be seen - not creamed.

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    One thing that we should be careful of when attempting to stand out more, is how by applying decals/stickers, we can actually be camouflaging ourselves.

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    Case in point: We see the UK police using the Battenburg (checkerboard) marking pattern and automatically assume that it must be safer. It wasn't ever designed to be safer, it was designed to be recognizable.

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    "Both the chequered and the miniature permutations of the Battenburg marking scheme are remarkably effective in breaking up the bike’s visual profile (especially when the bike is seen from the front). All this significantly increases the time taken by drivers to detect and recognize a motorcycle on response duty, thus reducing the valuable time they need to avoid the bike."

    For an absolutely fascinating discussion on actually standing out from the crowd (and where I stole the above images and quote from), check out John Killeen's blog on Ambulance Visibility

    He also did a talk in 2010 where he went through all of the pro/cons of different markings and colors:
    http://www.ambulancevisibility.com/w...Visibility.pdf


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    Recall all the years of "what color works for fire trucks?"

    Our local was red, lime, white, and now back to red. The ambulance is white, seems was lime for a bit.
    Those patterns do stand out.


    And without quoting...voicing an opinion and bullying falls in the same approach? ...really
    Either snowing or out of oatmeal K?
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    Quote Originally Posted by henzilla View Post
    Recall all the years of "what color works for fire trucks?"

    Our local was red, lime, white, and now back to red. The ambulance is white, seems was lime for a bit.
    Those patterns do stand out.


    And without quoting...voicing an opinion and bullying falls in the same approach? ...really
    Either snowing or out of oatmeal K?
    Neither, but made my first chuckle of the morning!

    Actually, 2-4 inches predicted for tonight and tomorrow, but I'm bugging out by plane Saturday to Colorado Springs - son just bought his first home - need to see 'The Ponderosa.'

    As for that comment of mine 'you didn't quote,' five years ago, opinions were just opinions. Now, the media taints and interlocks them with accusations of bullying at every turn. I didn't create this mess - I also don't play in their sandbox.

    Off to the mini-mart for Oatmeal!

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    Had the oatmeal question thrown my way by my older brother recently...made me laugh and regroup

    I don't mind the opinions as we all have them, I can debate or smile and not waste my time..a bullying approach trying to change behaviors rarely ends well for the bully in my world.

    Safe travels in the incoming mess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soocom1 View Post
    You dont live in the SW US then.
    I always thought that there more Bikes on the road until I checked the DMV numbers for LA County.
    Old info but only about 2% of the 7.5 million registered vehicles are motorcycles.

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    A crappy unmodified photo, but low light/shadows is where HiViz works best.
    Open water life jackets/survival suits are orange and have strobe lights attached for a reason.
    As another post suggests, HiViz will not keep you from getting squashed like a big yellow bug, especially around here.
    I live in the Port of LA area, and with trucks, trains and countless nincompoops behind the "steering" wheel of a car crashing into one another even some Harley riders are adopting HiViz. (usually it's a vest over a leather jacket)
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    I was riding a white bike, while wearing a white helmet during the daylight hours, when I was struck by someone who "didn't see" me. even with that said I will always try to be as conspicuous as I can. I am looking at additional lights for the front and rear of my bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motor10 View Post
    I was riding a white bike, while wearing a white helmet during the daylight hours, when I was struck by someone who "didn't see" me. even with that said I will always try to be as conspicuous as I can. I am looking at additional lights for the front and rear of my bike.

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    The by far number one reason given when somebody crashes into a fire truck is, "I didn't see it!"
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    Back in the mid-80's my gear bag on the back seat was a kind of pre hi-viz orange. Most all the riders gave me grief for using it as my gear bag. I told'em; people will see it. Did'nt matter; I still caught a lot bad mouthing about it. I guess one one piece 'Stich' back in the 80's had a fair amount of hi-viz. Now the norm is all the hi-viz you can stand and little more , if possible.

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