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    Quote Originally Posted by lkchris View Post
    See post immediately preceding yours ...
    But the question is, is the BMW oil an Ester based synthetic oil?
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    Never understood "Ultimate" as an oil rating before!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RIDERR1150GSADV View Post
    But the question is, is the BMW oil an Ester based synthetic oil?
    Oh no, not THAT question!

    BTW, thicker is not necessarily "better". (sorry I tried not to comment, but I just couldn't help myself!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wethead View Post
    Impressive. 750k, wow
    Yes indeed.
    Well, except for the fact that Voni's highest mileage bike is Big Red, her R1100RS, which has about 400,00 miles on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by azgman View Post
    Oh no, not THAT question!

    BTW, thicker is not necessarily "better". (sorry I tried not to comment, but I just couldn't help myself!)
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    Just use Olive Oil. Its supposed to be good for your heart, and lets face it, the engine is the heart of the bike, right?

    Now the question is: Extra Virgin, Virgin, Refined, etc... ?
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    Exactly how does one achieve the status of extra virgin?
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    Quote Originally Posted by akbeemer View Post
    Does anyone have first hand knowledge of a warranty claim being denied because of the use of an oil of a viscosity other than what is specified? If so, then how did the dealer know it was an unapproved viscosity?
    I've seen companies deny warranty because brake fluid was not the stock COLOR. That's so easy. Avoid ATE Super Blue.

    I've never heard of viscosity being a reason for denial of a warranty. I do know that the new BMW car engines use really thin synthetic oil also. They have no break in procedure either. Just drive.

    Wet head is not the same animal as the older boxers. Some posters above are using old bikes to justify thicker oils. If this engine is built like Porsche builds it's new engines, the oil passages are smaller and clearances are tighter. Thick oil is not better.

    Going back to older bikes, my '05 would clatter with Mobil 1 15-50 but not with BMW or Spectro 15-50. I don't know the difference in these oils, but I could hear a difference.

    I would be careful going drastically thicker. This is not your father's Beemer. Agree something different in 100 degree heat is likely appropriate, but what happens when you stay overnight up in those mountains and it's 45 degrees in the morning? The old bikes didn't have water cooling and the pieces expanded and contracted a bit more. Now, engine temps are more stable and clearances are less....yes, they use thin oil for economy but the motors are build differently too.

    Make sure the water is deep enough before you dive in?
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    Very sensible
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    Quote Originally Posted by lkchris View Post
    If that mechanic had a degree in chemistry or petroleum engineering or mechanical engineering, he'd have a better job. Otherwise, he's not an oil expert.
    Does one have to be an oil expert to know what works best in the 110-115 degree heat here in the desert having worked on Beemers for a decade or more and having been trained as a bmw mechanic working for a dealership even longer?

    Or does one just have to have enough experience over many years to know what he's talking about?

    BMW engineers who design the bikes and recommend what should be used do NOT see those temps daily in Germany. They would then be more ignorant about how the engine performs in such heat, never having seen those temps nor working on bikes that run in those temps a few months a year would they?

    Just to clarify what they see there:
    The average monthly January daytime temperature is 3 degrees Celsius (38 degrees Fahrenheit) and in July it's 22 degrees Celsius (72 degrees Fahrenheit). Extremes temperatures sometimes reach -10 C (5F) in winter and 35 C (95 F) in the summer months.

    Their extreme is 95 degrees. Todays normal temp here was 112, yesterday 115 [ 20 degrees warmer than they extreme temps ] and we'll see 118-120 for a few weeks here every year.. That's works out to 21% more heat average and up to 26% hotter in the extreme comparison.

    On the other end, we don't see below 40 degrees and they can see 5F. A difference of 12%. Not as much difference in colder comparisons, but it's the heat that kills engines, not cold.

    My mechanic knows these heat issues here, the BMW talking heads do not, and it's very unlikely they even consider that in their recommendations.

    My manual states "generally recommended, among other grades is SAE 10W-~50, API SF / ACEA A2, or better ~-20 C. What's the difference between 20-50 and 10-50 with a heat index 21-26% hotter might be a question for them engineers in Germany huh? Maybe YOU can answer the question, if you're an oil engineer.

    There's really no reason for a 50W oil in a water cooled engine and it in fact could increase heat due to the extra friction it creates.

    I don't run a water cooled engine on the bike. What say you on the oil/air cooled camheads assuming you have some experience in those motors in such heat having serviced them like my mechanic has for roughly the same time frame?

    As an aside, there's a camhead owner on another site that's got 200K+ on his and he's never run anything but 20-50 after the bike hit 6K miles. He doesn't seem all that concerned about running 20-50 whatsoever, similar to my mechanic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lkchris View Post
    If that mechanic had a degree in chemistry or petroleum engineering or mechanical engineering, he'd have a better job. Otherwise, he's not an oil expert.
    I don't think this is a fair comment. I can tell you right now I know folks who are much more savvy about BMW motorcycles mechanics than any engineer.

    Give you an example: I know a dude who actually de-coded the computer program in a GT and reconfigured it to display information that he deemed riders would be more interested in seeing constantly. He created a new panel for the GT. But he then disappeared. I think he might have gotten in trouble with the legality of it all. Last I heard, he actually works with a well know aftermarket part designer.

    I know this other dude who ride an RT, he is an AMP licensed person for an airline, you be sucking your words through your nose if you could talk BMW engines with him.

    There are a bunch of guys who are riders and were employed by BMW as career mechs.

    No sir, I be willing to bet that many of those 'engineers' people worship around here have never ridden a bike in their lives--you can tell by the way they design them sheetie-arses seats every year!!
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    Uh-oh..... this is just another oil thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by akbeemer View Post
    Uh-oh..... this is just another oil thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rtwiz View Post
    I've seen companies deny warranty because brake fluid was not the stock COLOR.
    I like to remind consumers that warranty denial such as this is BS-

    If you own a car, you know how important it is to keep up with routine maintenance and repairs. But can a dealer refuse to honor the warranty that came with your new car if someone else does the routine maintenance or repairs?

    The Federal Trade Commission (FTC), the nation's consumer protection agency, says no. In fact, it's illegal for a dealer to deny your warranty coverage simply because you had routine maintenance or repairs performed by someone else. Routine maintenance often includes oil changes, tire rotations, belt replacement, fluid checks and flushes, new brake pads, and inspections. Maintenance schedules vary by vehicle make, model and year; the best source of information about routine scheduled maintenance is your owner's manual.


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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnus...s_Warranty_Act

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