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    It is not the oil that wears out, but the additives in the oil that do. In the marine industry it is rare that oil is changed at all in those huge diesels. They just add an additive package and do oil analysis.
    The one time I did witness and oil change on the offshore supply vessel I was on, they had 9! 55 gallon oil drums and had a pumper truck on shore taking the old oil out...
    The engine was a huge 9 cylinder diesel and the guys told me that this was the first time in 5 years they had done this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jandhumphreyme View Post
    I've been running Advantec Pro 15w-50 in my '11 R1200R, last year after the Rally in SLC I sent a sample to Blackstone for analysis, 38,500 miles on the engine. I changed the oil before I left and racked up 5,400 miles highway driving mostly, temps averaged in the 90's with a few bouts up over 100, my thinking was this was as good a test for engine oil as you could get. Here is the writeup from Blackstone;

    We think you did fine taking the sample, and these results are something to be proud of.
    Universal averages show typical wear for this type of BMW motor with oil run a similar distance of ~5,400
    miles. Compared to those, you've got metals reading low across the board, and that points to internal parts
    that are getting along quite well here at 38,485 total miles. The viscosity is in the expected range for a
    15W/50, and no gas or dirt contamination was found. The TBN of 6.1 shows plenty of active additive left
    (1.0 is low), so try 7,000 miles next time. Nice Beemer!


    I plan on sending in a sample every other oil change to keep an eye on things.
    That's as good a recommendation as it gets. Nothing like real data to help you make a decision.

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    Clacking Noise

    Your bike has a chain tensioner that is pumped up by the oil pressure. So the big clacking sound you hear on start-up of or after an oil change is exactly that. The rest of it is normal engine noise that you will simply have to get used to. Unless the engine temps are consistently too high and or you are burning oil (never heard of a wethead yet that used oil) then stick with what the manufacture states. My chev truck using a similar grade oil simply because it improves fuel mileage (less internal friction) . Both my wethead and chev truck show no signs of excessive wear due to oil grade that is too low. I have a GSA and compared to a RT the noise is significantly worse, nothing to stop it except my ears. So I agree with another comment ear plus work well to cut down on the noise pollution.


    Enjoy your bike, it will last a very long time if you adhere to the maintenance schedule and use good quality fluids and parts. Keep the shinny side up !
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    Quote Originally Posted by 105258 View Post
    Your bike has a chain tensioner that is pumped up by the oil pressure. So the big clacking sound you hear on start-up of or after an oil change is exactly that. The rest of it is normal engine noise that you will simply have to get used to. Unless the engine temps are consistently too high and or you are burning oil (never heard of a wethead yet that used oil) then stick with what the manufacture states. My chev truck using a similar grade oil simply because it improves fuel mileage (less internal friction) . Both my wethead and chev truck show no signs of excessive wear due to oil grade that is too low. I have a GSA and compared to a RT the noise is significantly worse, nothing to stop it except my ears. So I agree with another comment ear plus work well to cut down on the noise pollution.


    Enjoy your bike, it will last a very long time if you adhere to the maintenance schedule and use good quality fluids and parts. Keep the shinny side up !
    I know my bike has a chain tensioner. It's my 4th RT. I've got over 200K on RTs. Even transplanted a 2000 drive train into a '96 RT once...successfully!

    I took a new GS out on a test ride and yes, the noise was louder. No secret to why. The RT has more plastic around the engine covering up some of the death rattle sounds.

    The sound I'm talking about isn't at start up, it's at low to mid revs when gently accelerating. It's LC specific. It sounds like engine pre-ignition ping (knock), not like timing chains. I know it's "normal" because both demo bikes did it to some extent although the demo '18 RT seemed to be mostly immune. The bike I bought is a new '17. It's got this pinging noise...30mph in 2nd or 3rd gently accelerating. It's like the knock sensors constantly adjust advance but get confused during this very common riding condition. Not the end of the world, for sure. I'm touring in SE KY with it now. It's doing great. It's just that, otherwise, the smoothness of this engine's response is so perfect... It has more bark than my '05 and you can feel the vibes at higher revs but it's a big boxer motor. I'm used to that.

    Aeroflow Tall screen & Sargent seat really work on these all-day rides. I think I need bar-backs. I want to sit back further on the bike but the bars have me leaned into them too much. Getting sore shoulders!

    I used the Nav VI's "curvy road" setting all day today and yesterday. There are plenty of them down here. Just beautiful, but you have to be philosophical about your destination. I had left it on to go from motel to dinner tonight. Should be 2 miles. It was over 15! Beautiful roads but I was tired and hungry! Lesson learned.

    I'm aiming for Maggie Valley, NC via "curvy roads" for tomorrow. It will take all day I may not make it, in fact. Who cares? I came down here to go riding. I found a back road out of Lexington that had a 3 car ferry...no charge. Great fun. Some of these roads look like golf cart paths. Seriously great roads from this device. I took a tour in the Alps with Edelweiss. That is the only comparable trip to this one. Edelweiss know all the tiny little Alpine roads.

    Also helps that there was almost no traffic for 2 full days. It's like the rapture came and took all the traffic.

    (sorry, for the bible belt reference...there's a lot o' thumpin' goin' on around here.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by rtwiz View Post
    I know my bike has a chain tensioner. It's my 4th RT. I've got over 200K on RTs. Even transplanted a 2000 drive train into a '96 RT once...successfully!

    I took a new GS out on a test ride and yes, the noise was louder. No secret to why. The RT has more plastic around the engine covering up some of the death rattle sounds.

    The sound I'm talking about isn't at start up, it's at low to mid revs when gently accelerating. It's LC specific. It sounds like engine pre-ignition ping (knock), not like timing chains. I know it's "normal" because both demo bikes did it to some extent although the demo '18 RT seemed to be mostly immune. The bike I bought is a new '17. It's got this pinging noise...30mph in 2nd or 3rd gently accelerating. It's like the knock sensors constantly adjust advance but get confused during this very common riding condition. Not the end of the world, for sure. I'm touring in SE KY with it now. It's doing great. It's just that, otherwise, the smoothness of this engine's response is so perfect... It has more bark than my '05 and you can feel the vibes at higher revs but it's a big boxer motor. I'm used to that.

    Aeroflow Tall screen & Sargent seat really work on these all-day rides. I think I need bar-backs. I want to sit back further on the bike but the bars have me leaned into them too much. Getting sore shoulders!

    I used the Nav VI's "curvy road" setting all day today and yesterday. There are plenty of them down here. Just beautiful, but you have to be philosophical about your destination. I had left it on to go from motel to dinner tonight. Should be 2 miles. It was over 15! Beautiful roads but I was tired and hungry! Lesson learned.

    I'm aiming for Maggie Valley, NC via "curvy roads" for tomorrow. It will take all day I may not make it, in fact. Who cares? I came down here to go riding. I found a back road out of Lexington that had a 3 car ferry...no charge. Great fun. Some of these roads look like golf cart paths. Seriously great roads from this device. I took a tour in the Alps with Edelweiss. That is the only comparable trip to this one. Edelweiss know all the tiny little Alpine roads.

    Also helps that there was almost no traffic for 2 full days. It's like the rapture came and took all the traffic.

    (sorry, for the bible belt reference...there's a lot o' thumpin' goin' on around here.)

    :toast:
    Experience the same sound of the "ping" you have described. Only noticed it when I took the bike out for a test ride after a farkle add and not wearing helmet etc. Just tooling along doing some the exact style accelerating you have described. Have a '16 with approx 21K.
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