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    Quote Originally Posted by brownie0486 View Post

    I'd think there's some well heeled down to earth Beemers guys and gals here who armor up according to locale, traffic, off and on road conditions and anything in between. One makes their choices and lives or dies with those same choices. It's not my life to live, it's theirs. It's also theirs to die if they so choose on two wheels.
    I agree. Helmet is 100%, even just moving the bike from the house to the carport. Voni makes me do that! Gloves 99%. Aerostich jacket 98%. Riding pants 98% including Aerostich Roadcafter, some First Gear vented pants, and some Kevlar lined jeans with knee armor. Boots 99% of the time but they might be my cowboy boots.

    I have, and occasionally use, a First Gear mesh jacket when it is the 80s or low 90s and the ride is short. On real trips or our all-summer rideabouts I don't wear mesh because it is too likely to promote dehydration. I am more inclined to use partially mesh pants even on trips when temps are between 70 and 94. Above or below that it is the Roadcrafter pants for me. That 94 degree F temp is my normal skin temperature so air warmer than that is warming, not cooling even if I sweat a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    I agree. Helmet is 100%, even just moving the bike from the house to the carport. Voni makes me do that! Gloves 99%. Aerostich jacket 98%. Riding pants 98% including Aerostich Roadcafter, some First Gear vented pants, and some Kevlar lined jeans with knee armor. Boots 99% of the time but they might be my cowboy boots.

    I have, and occasionally use, a First Gear mesh jacket when it is the 80s or low 90s and the ride is short. On real trips or our all-summer rideabouts I don't wear mesh because it is too likely to promote dehydration. I am more inclined to use partially mesh pants even on trips when temps are between 70 and 94. Above or below that it is the Roadcrafter pants for me. That 94 degree F temp is my normal skin temperature so air warmer than that is warming, not cooling even if I sweat a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brownie0486 View Post
    Hey patm,
    They are PU backed, but he hose test and soak test allowed water to get to the inside. Do you think that makes a difference in what spray [ like nikwax ] I should stray away from? Maker mentioned anything chemical based would degrade the PU and make them worse.

    Seam sealers are a good options if I decide to try any of the waterproofing sprays. At this point, I may just wear the rain pants under the chaps but over the carharts. I understand from the testing and research and others that the sprays are a temp band aid fix at best.

    Thanks
    Sorry for the delay in responding, I've been gone for the long weekend.

    If the material is PU backed, it shouldn't need to be sprayed, it should be waterproof. If the material leaks, it isn't waterproof and Nikwax or other sealants will render it water repellent for a while.
    However, any holes you create in the waterproof material, by cutting and stitching, will leak if you don't use seam tape while sowing the pieces together. That is why I suggested seam sealer. I remember using it on tents, backpacks and jackets, way back when.

    The results were good, it lasted for a while but aesthetically speaking it was kind of ugly. We were young and we didn't care. LOL
    Maybe there are newer compounds that are easier to apply or have better aesthetic results, I don't know. I haven't used the stuff in years. But that is the only thing I can think of that will render the stitching waterproof.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patm View Post
    Sorry for the delay in responding, I've been gone for the long weekend.

    If the material is PU backed, it shouldn't need to be sprayed, it should be waterproof. If the material leaks, it isn't waterproof and Nikwax or other sealants will render it water repellent for a while.
    However, any holes you create in the waterproof material, by cutting and stitching, will leak if you don't use seam tape while sowing the pieces together. That is why I suggested seam sealer. I remember using it on tents, backpacks and jackets, way back when.

    The results were good, it lasted for a while but aesthetically speaking it was kind of ugly. We were young and we didn't care. LOL
    Maybe there are newer compounds that are easier to apply or have better aesthetic results, I don't know. I haven't used the stuff in years. But that is the only thing I can think of that will render the stitching waterproof.
    Thanks Pat, I've got the seam sealer for the tent already, might try that on the chaps on the inside and see how that works out as I have it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Friedle View Post
    Consider buying some real riding pants that are waterproof or GoreTex lined if you are concerned about staying dry in the rain. What don't chaps cover?? Your groin, hips and ass. I like all those parts of my body, they all provide useful functions. For the same price you paid for chaps you can get a real pair of pants. Save the chaps for riding horses through mesquite, that is what they were designed for doing. BUT, it's your ass (literally) on the ground so do what ever you think is best for you.

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    My thoughts exactly. I've seen pictures of riders who went off wearing chaps. I have no idea how they sat on a toilet seat for weeks or months with ground up flesh on their buttocks.

    A suggestion to the OP...if you want to get the answer you're looking for ...try a Harley forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daboo View Post
    My thoughts exactly. I've seen pictures of riders who went off wearing chaps. I have no idea how they sat on a toilet seat for weeks or months with ground up flesh on their buttocks.

    A suggestion to the OP...if you want to get the answer you're looking for ...try a Harley forum.
    Another ass hat heard from that has NO input to the question posed about waterproofing nylon while also apparently finding it necessary to take a dig at another group of riders who choose to ride another type of M/C.

    I seriously dislike elitist BS. We ALL ride something, not everyone wants to ride a Beemer. And many people ride all manner of bikes besides Harley's wearing chaps. Like I mentioned, I've been down hard twice, once at speed without ANY protection and I've still got an arse to sit on for the trip to Ak. that's coming up. If nothing else, this thread has brought to light who some of the ass hat elitists are. And riding pants with armor would NOT have prevented the broken bones in that high speed crash. Nor ever prevent being T bones and having a leg taken off, or going over the bars head first into a cage nor a broken neck etc etc. I'm much more inclined ot worry about those injuries than losing any skin the road may claim.

    Harley forum wouldn't be able to answer the question posed either, they wear leather chaps primarily, not custom made ballistic nylon. Of course Friedle even mistakes chaps for pants in his post. And he should know better at his age of 60+ years of age.
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    I would turn the chaps inside out. I would use seam sealer on the inside of all stiched seams. I would then I would then spray the inside of the chaps with a decent waterproofing spray intended for tents and such such as Scotch Guard or Nikwax Spray. Once that had dried I would turn them back outside out and re-spray the outside with the same spray. This is what I do with every tent we buy, and what I would do with the chaps.

    p.s. I wear full riding pants - Aerostich Roadcrafter usually, but if you like chaps that is your choice. Ride safe and well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    I would turn the chaps inside out. I would use seam sealer on the inside of all stiched seams. I would then I would then spray the inside of the chaps with aa decent waterproofing spray intended for tents and such. Once that had dried I would turn them back outside out and re-spray the outside with the same spray. This is what I do with every tent we buy, and what I would do with the chaps.

    p.s. I wear full riding pants - Aerostich Roadcrafter usually, but if you like chaps that is your choice. Ride safe and well.
    Good idea, as I have the seam sealer and the nikwax spray waterproofing already. Wouldn't have thought to turn them inside with seam sealer, excellent idea sir,

    thanks

    ETA,
    Just seam sealed them and they'll dry overnight. Tomorrow I'll coat the outside with the nikwax spray. Even if they aren't totally waterproofed, they will be better than not having done the seam seal.
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    Can you let us know how well it works for you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalterK75 View Post
    Can you let us know how well it works for you?
    The seam seal? Sure can sir. But I'm really hoping we're one of the lucky groups that head north that catch little to no rain during the trip.

    It works great, when applied properly, for tent sealing the seams which I have to do on the tent before I get out of here as well.
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