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    I have a 2013 FJR and it is a great bike, however, they certainly do not hold their value. Well equipped, low mileage FJRs can be had for very little.
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    Quote Originally Posted by akbeemer View Post
    I have a 2013 FJR and it is a great bike, however, they certainly do not hold their value. Well equipped, low mileage FJRs can be had for very little.
    The same can be said for 1100/1150 beemers. In the case of the FJR Yamaha over produced generation 3 FJRs and began giving them away which didn't help with resale. Jeez, you could buy a left over 2015 FJR1300A for what, about 13K last year? Also, there is a huge difference in purchase price of a loaded 2018 FJR1300ES and a BMW R1200RT with the premium package as in about $7K. You wheel that new RT out the door and she drops like the proverbial rock. Pretty much the same thing with any new rolling stock though.

    One thing I don't like about late model BMWs like the wethead RT is being tethered to BMW for things like ECU fault readout and diagnosis making purchase of a $400 GS911 necessary for the do-it-yourself guy. Now, maybe BMW has turned the corner in the reliability department and maybe not. It may be a bit too soon to tell although things do seem to be looking up as of late. Wish I knew what they (BMW) did to solve the problem of imploding final drives which was directly caused by introduction of the single sided swing arm. Obvious what they did to eliminate destruction of the trans input shaft splines. Wham bam, it's wet clutch with integrated engine transmission and problem solved. It took how many years to figure that one out? I think they should go one step further just for good measure and copy Yamaha's shaft drive layout complete with double sided swing arm.

    Nope, no new BMW in my future.
    Jammess

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    While I agree thee BMW needs a mechanic to read all the fault codes, with a GS911 you can read quite a few codes, unlike a FJR which makes nothing for the home mechanic. I test rode a FJR, very nice bike, but not me. I like the more upright riding position. The other advantage that I like about the RT is I can adjust everything myself, cylinders are right there. No tank removal or shim buckets to buy.

    Now I had a 2008 RT, nd I would say the 2018 is more nimble, a more neutral feel to steering, and best of all the first gear is way lower! No more clutch slipping at stoplights on a hill. In fact you can add hill assist, (pretty useful).

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    Quote Originally Posted by orforester View Post
    While I agree thee BMW needs a mechanic to read all the fault codes, with a GS911 you can read quite a few codes, unlike a FJR which makes nothing for the home mechanic. I test rode a FJR, very nice bike, but not me. I like the more upright riding position. The other advantage that I like about the RT is I can adjust everything myself, cylinders are right there. No tank removal or shim buckets to buy.

    Now I had a 2008 RT, nd I would say the 2018 is more nimble, a more neutral feel to steering, and best of all the first gear is way lower! No more clutch slipping at stoplights on a hill. In fact you can add hill assist, (pretty useful).
    Depends on what year/generation your FJR is when it comes to fault diagnosis. On my 2010 if I were to get a fault lamp I can enter diagnostics mode and identify the fault then refer to the factory service manual for a code description and run the appropriate diagnostic tests, very simple using the on board LCD screen. later gen3 bikes require use of Yamaha dealer diagnostic readout equipment. But then in, I think, 2016 or 2017 when they went to the OBD2 system you can just buy a $100 wifi adaptor and the system will communicate directly with your laptop and maybe even an iphone but I don't know all the details since I don't own a gen3 and for other reasons don't really want one. Yamaha did some things with the gen3 I really don't like because these mostly mechanical changes cheapened the package. For example, I can sync all 4 throttle bodies not only at idle but off idle as well but with the gen3 (2013 - 2018) they simplified the TB linkage so some gen3 bikes buzz less than others depending on how close the TBs are matched and nothing you can do about it just the luck of the draw. They also made only one fork adjustable (damping, compression, rebound) instead of both forks being adjustable. The front sub-frame on gen1,2 is constructed of welded steel tubing but gen3 is just what I would call pot metal. So, don't drop the bike else you not only will buy a new mirror but also will have the joy of replacing the complete sub-frame and not an easy or fun job. Oh, on my gen2 I did a simple mod to the ECU cable connector so I can enter what is called the CO mode and adjust the idle fuel mixture on all 4 TBs using on-board diagnostics screen, pretty nice and results in a very smooth idle with little effect on fuel economy and also effects mixture off idle to maybe around 2K revs or so. This is supposed to be a dealer adjustment with use of a test adaptor cable connector but simple to just permanently move a pin on the ECU connector. FJR guys call this the Barbarian Jumper Mod. There, all you ever didn't want to know about an FJR. lol..lol..

    I agree with the simplicity of performing maintenance like a valve adjustment on the BMW compared with bikes like the FJR. Just a non issue to do a valve adjustment on my '93 R1100RS. More like a two day job on the FJR but at least its at 26K miles and many never need adjustment at all. Still kind of a pain just to do a valve check.

    Main reason for taking a pass on the wethead is my age and to tell the truth I'm just too cheap. Well, I would also have to sell both current bikes to keep the domestic peace if you know what I mean and I just could never part with the RSL. Can't say the same for the FJR. It's a super reliable motorcycle with many great attributes but like most bikes from Japan it lacks soul if you know what I mean and it's hard to define soul so not going there.
    Jammess

    '93 R1100RSL, '10 FJR1300A
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