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    R1200RS vs ?????

    Hey Everyone,

    Looking at some bike options, I'm stymied on the R1200RS. I get that its a sport tourer, but who does it really go up against? There's no Duc ST series anymore, Honda Interceptor is a bit smaller of an engine.

    I can't find any comparisons, maybe BMW bikes really are in a league of their own!
    All of the modern BMW's I spend too much time riding new bikes.
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    When I was looking the newer Yamaha FRJ1300 and the old Honda ST1300 and now Kawasaki has the new H2 GT.

    All of these are substantially heavier, have higher C of G. The Kawa has substantially more power ( If top speed of 145 is not enough)

    Ducati does not have a direct competitor right now.

    If cost is a issue there are several Japanese naked bikes that could be tweeked with accessories, to get close to the sport touring characteristics....but they will not have the suspension and other sophisticated features to match the RS

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    Welcome to the forum Charlie.

    One more bike similar to the RS is the 2018 Yamaha Tracer 900 GT.
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    I also wouldn't write off the 1200RT as a comparison. Depending upon your ratio of sport to touring, it is worth the look.

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    If I were in the market for a bike in the RS category, I'd include the 2019 Yamaha Tracer 900 that will be out in the second half of 2018. I'd also include the new Kawasaki Ninja H2 SX SE. Both bikes seem refined and with a long list of just about anything you'd want in a sport-touring bike. And probably for far less $$$$ than the RS.

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    Hey Everyone!

    Thanks for the quick responses, this is why I love the BMW riding community.

    I'm going to take a look at these bikes (and maybe test ride them), and see how they stack up.

    That R1200RS might make a good addition to the current lineup
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    +1 for the R1200RT. My favorite modern road bike.

    I have a serious-rider friend who owned an R1200RS until last week. He said the R1200R is a better handling bike. There are a lot of riders around Tucson on both the RS and the R. The RS rider I just mentioned traded it in last week on a left-over 2017 R1200GS. Down here the GS is the most popular because of all the dirt and gravel roads.

    I no longer hanker to ride off road, so here is my "king."

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    Forgot about the R1200R. It's quicker steering than the RS and I considered the R when I bought the RS.
    The R sits you up more than the RS but because of the tubular bars on the R it's a easy fix if you want lower bars.
    I did not mention the RT because RS and S riders normally like bikes with small fairings and a slight lean forward riding position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    Forgot about the R1200R. It's quicker steering than the RS and I considered the R when I bought the RS.
    The R sits you up more than the RS but because of the tubular bars on the R it's a easy fix if you want lower bars.
    I did not mention the RT because RS and S riders normally like bikes with small fairings and a slight lean forward riding position.
    We're also not that old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 36654 View Post
    We're also not that old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charliematley View Post
    That R1200RS might make a good addition to the current lineup
    Just depends on what you're after. If it's a sport-biased sport tourer, that's one thing and there are a slew of them, including RS. Why? Because it's easy to hang a panniers on something and now call it a sport tourer. This is abuse of the designation IMHO! If it's BALANCED sport tourer, FULLY capable in both roles, be it tight twisties taken as fast as you're comfortable with, AND being able to hit the slab and every kind of pavement in between, all day long, in both beautiful and fowl weather, then you cannot beat 2014+ RT. It's modest curb weight by comparison to the more touring-oriented ST's helps significantly in the sporting role.

    I notice it's sometimes the vertically challenged who find RTW a bit too big feeling, and that's certainly understandable as it's a little wider, though no taller than RS, and the larger front end and electric screen add to the perception of size even though they do not come into play in any way in terms of affecting handling and manageability--they just add to the perception of heft while being integral to RTW's all-weather comfort competence. In reality RTW is only 57.7 lbs heavier than RS when the panniers come off which is its default state for me until touring commences. I have zero interest in supporting multiple 2-wheeled toys, so for me the one bike FULLY capable in both roles is what matters most.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charliematley View Post
    Hey Everyone,

    Looking at some bike options, I'm stymied on the R1200RS. I get that its a sport tourer, but who does it really go up against?
    It goes up against the R100RS, the R1100RS, and the R1150RS. It's a bit of a replacement for the R90S, R100S, R1100S, and R1200S.

    It's the only bike in this "category" with a driveshaft, so is indeed in a class of its own.
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    I really don't think there is a bike comparable to the R1200RS now that Honda no longer makes the VFR1200.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charliematley View Post
    Hey Everyone,

    Looking at some bike options, I'm stymied on the R1200RS. I get that its a sport tourer, but who does it really go up against? There's no Duc ST series anymore, Honda Interceptor is a bit smaller of an engine.

    I can't find any comparisons, maybe BMW bikes really are in a league of their own!
    Really is nothing in the same category. Another thing (good or bad) to consider vs. the Yamaha tracer is that the RS is shaft drive. More weight (bad), but no chain maintenance (good). Really have to to up to an FJR, Concourse, or Trophy which are better compared to the RT.

    I find the RS is a great balance for sport and touring without being too much one way or the other. Been on mine for 2 years and still don't see anything I would rather throw a leg over.

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    There is the KTM 1290 Super Duke GT. I like the weather protection of the RT though. I am getting old.

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