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    Am I seeing a pattern here?

    Is BMW using exceptionally tight clearances to discourage us from any DIY projects?

    Just as the spark plug access is far more difficult than it needs to be, in September I replaced the low beam lights in my 09 RT. It was ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS in terms of difficulty, and once again, it was a case of obscenely tight access points. It probably took me 1.5 hours to change the left bulb and 3 hours to change the right bulb. What happens if someone is out in the middle of no where; (even if he brought spare bulbs). and it's getting dark? It is my suspicion that while BMW would never admit it, they are saying to the DIY crowd, "We woun't tell you that you can't work on your own motorcycle, we'll just make it so miserable that you will end up taking it to the dealer".

    I had the opportunity to have one of the first 1000 MOA members for a friend. He told me that one of the driving forces behind the founding of the club was to have owners band together to help avoid going to the dealer. It seems now, more than ever that we need to be mindful of these situations and use our collective brainpower to outsmart the factory. There is no excuse for building machines which make what should be simple tasks ridiculously difficult. Bulbs, plugs and filters should be easily accessible because they are wear items which require service on a regular basis.

    (GEEEEEEZZZZZZZ, if I continue on this rant, they're gonna make me wear a tin foil hat and go to Conspiracy Nuts Anonymous).

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    It's not a conspiracy. The spark plug for instance requires a "thin wall" socket, available at any automotive store for $5.00 to $10.00. I cannot comment on changing the headlight bulb. I've read other threads here where people have removed the housing simplifying the process, instead of wrist wrestling that bulb in there. At least you RT guys got a real light, my R '11's light is no more powerful than an old Ray-O-Vac.

    As far as DIY. As more regulations are legislated on manufacturers, noise, emissions, and safety, and the corresponding liabilities for the reliability of these systems increases, this action gives manufacturers the necessary ammunition to successfully argue and get permission to shift to proprietary technologies and limit access to that technology to only "qualified" or "certified" technicians, removing the independent repair shop and DIY person from the equation. WE are our own worst enemies in this regard.
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    The BMW boxers are among the easiest bikes around to work on. Compared to most other engine configurations, routine maintenance procedures are simple and access is uncomplicated. It is, of course, helpful if one uses the correct reference guide, tools and procedures. Not knowing that a thin walled socket is needed to remove the spark plugs is not an engineering flaw.
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    i am not understanding the problems here...i have done ALL of my maintenance and headlight bulb changes without issue....AND have worked on GSs and early RTs as well without issue...i purchased thin wall 12" long spark plug wrenches in both 14mm and 5/8" that work flawlessly on many motors not just BMWs...and, while I will agree about the headlight issue, i simply remove the headlight assembly to deal with it...only about a 30min job to remove AND replace (once one has done it)...

    maintenance on my 13RT is a labor of love and it happens every 6000miles...full service (oil/filter, air filter, FD & GB change, spark plugs, TB sync and tires)...and it has happened 18 times in 104,000miles...AND i can do the work including all parts and tires for way less than the labor rate at the dealership...

    get in tune with your bike...both of you will be better for it in the long run...
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    Quote Originally Posted by akbeemer View Post
    The BMW boxers are among the easiest bikes around to work on. Compared to most other engine configurations, routine maintenance procedures are simple and access is uncomplicated. It is, of course, helpful if one uses the correct reference guide, tools and procedures. Not knowing that a thin walled socket is needed to remove the spark plugs is not an engineering flaw.
    yup...
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    Quote Originally Posted by akbeemer View Post
    The BMW boxers are among the easiest bikes around to work on. Compared to most other engine configurations, routine maintenance procedures are simple and access is uncomplicated. It is, of course, helpful if one uses the correct reference guide, tools and procedures. Not knowing that a thin walled socket is needed to remove the spark plugs is not an engineering flaw.
    You've obviously never owned an Evolution series Harley... both the 80" big twins and the Sportsters were about the easiest-to-repair bikes I've ever seen. Perhaps because of this, they required relatively few repairs, mostly just replacing burned-out stators (something Boxer owners are apparently learning to live with; I cannot fathom why BMW abandoned the external, air-cooled, belt-driven alternator in favor of a souped-up magneto buried in the second-hottest part of the engine) and leaking gaskets.

    But, my R1200GS, despite having the servo brakes and lacking a final drive drain plug, does land well toward the "easy" end of the maintenance/repair scale. Far, far easier to take care of than some bikes I've owned (e.g., KLR650, which had no reason to be as annoying to work on as it was) or excluded from consideration after reading routine maintenance procedures (check out valve adjustment on a CB500X sometime). And requiring a thin-wall socket for spark plug removal is no sin, long as it's documented.

    One small gripe on this topic, though--I bought my GS used, and it had few tools in the kit. In particular, no plug wrench. I ordered one from my dealer, and found that what I got was... useless. It was a stamped tube with a hole in it, like any tool-kit plug wrench, but (a) it didn't fit in the head, and (b) it didn't fit over the plug anyway. Luckily, I found a Snap-On thin-wall plug socket in my tool collection. And the "plug wrench" did fit nicely into the end of the front axle (like a giant Allen-head), so I kept it. I assume the parts guy entered the wrong number. I have no idea what it was intended to be used for...

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    This thread had me all worked up worrying about how to manufacture a cost-effective solution.

    I bought this at Autozone a week ago for $7 plus tax. Works like a charm with a 12" extension.

    Has the OP posted whether he got this worked out and how?
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    Stuck socket

    The ideas about freezing the socket and lubing the outside where it is stuck sound like good advice. That having been said, I would suggest contacting Tom Cutter, Paul Glaves and Mat Parkerhouse. I am sure that between the 3 of them, they can bail you out.

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    What ever happened with this?
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    I have a "turned down" deep socket. But if all else fails just use the el cheapo tool from the tool kit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by akbeemer View Post
    The BMW boxers are among the easiest bikes around to work on. Compared to most other engine configurations, routine maintenance procedures are simple and access is uncomplicated. It is, of course, helpful if one uses the correct reference guide, tools and procedures. Not knowing that a thin walled socket is needed to remove the spark plugs is not an engineering flaw.
    Yes, and the fact BMW has made the effort to catalog a special tool socket and reference it in official procedures is your clue ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pappy35 View Post
    I bought this at Autozone a week ago for $7 plus tax. Works like a charm with a 12" extension.
    That socket is listed as 14mm, my new plugs I just ordered are 16mm head, just wondering if i missed something. A few people have mentioned the thin wall tool from the tool kit, mine is way larger than the 16mm sparkplugs, I have no idea what it fits, it could be from an unknown source as I bought the bike used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by largestache View Post
    That socket is listed as 14mm, my new plugs I just ordered are 16mm head, just wondering if i missed something. A few people have mentioned the thin wall tool from the tool kit, mine is way larger than the 16mm sparkplugs, I have no idea what it fits, it could be from an unknown source as I bought the bike used.
    may i ask, what bike are you talking about...?
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    The '05-'09 (Hexheads) have difference plugs than the '10-'13 (Camhead) RTs.

    With used bikes you never really know what you're getting. I think you are going to need a thin-walled socket whether it's 14mm or 16mm and Autozone sells both sizes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pappy35 View Post
    The '05-'09 (Hexheads) have difference plugs than the '10-'13 (Camhead) RTs.

    With used bikes you never really know what you're getting. I think you are going to need a thin-walled socket whether it's 14mm or 16mm and Autozone sells both sizes.
    pappy35...i know that...i have worked on both vintages of R1200s....i have both the 14mm and 5/8" thinwall 12" deep sockets...never had a problem with either...

    05-09 Hexhead plugs... https://www.ngk.com/product.aspx?zpid=26310 5/8" (16mm)

    10-13 Camhead plugs... https://www.ngk.com/product.aspx?zpid=26330 9/16" (14mm)
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