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    So, getting back to motorcycle riding for a moment.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by BC1100S View Post
    So, getting back to motorcycle riding for a moment.....


    Actually,, the OP didn't inquire about motorcycle riding, as it might have applied to routes, dealerships, mapping, etc.

    I quote:

    "Can I get some feedback on any incidents you have had, any advice,......."

    His request implied an assessment of our nation in terms of safety. That led to the cornucopia of responses we all have been reading.
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    Quote Originally Posted by richardus View Post
    You see, from up here all we see is a constant barrage of "bad news" about what's been going on down south. Shootings and gun obsession, racism, protests both left and right, political issues, bad cops, robberies and a whole lot of other craziness which just makes us outsiders pretty nervous about heading down there especially if it's our first time.
    Really? Funny... that's all we get on the news here, too!

    Can I get some feedback on any incidents you have had, any advice, or your experiences while crossing borders and heading into that wild west craziness down there?
    As long as you stay out of the wrong parts of town, you'll be fine.

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    I can think of any number of places to tour that are less safe than the United States.

    If a person avoids large urban areas for the valid reasons of crime and aggressive drivers, that person would find the US to be very accommodating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greenwald View Post
    I'm not sure what amazes me more?

    The fact that the OP actually asked that question,
    I think the OP is trying to stir ****.
    He has not been back on the site since he posted.
    If he was serious you would think he'd check back in to see what we have to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    I think the OP is trying to stir ****.
    He has not been back on the site since he posted.
    If he was serious you would think he'd check back in to see what we have to say.
    That thought crossed my mind, when I brought up that very suspicion back in Post #29 on this thread.

    Giving him the benefit of the doubt for now, but you're right.

    What have you learned from all this banter richardus?

    (Wait a minute - richard us as in USA?) - Actually, I researched some of his previous posts, and he mentions living in "Midwestern Ontario."
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    After many miles in continental States, I gotta say y'all are scaring me

    I still rely on situational awareness and gut feeling.I know that cannot be quantified, but serves me well and do not avoid taking the route I have found myself on.

    Have stayed in some sketchy places at times...some urban, some very remote spots across the lower 48.

    After being a first responder without any protection other than my hardhat during a long career in the power industry, I gotta say I have been in about as many diverse neighborhoods as most avoid. If something looks, feels, or smells odd...I move on.

    When in Canada, I do nothing different other than work on my metric conversions and stink eye looks to the fine folks in Quebec who think being snotty to english speaking folks from the states is fun

    Folks everywhere can be a hazard at some point and I'm not going to stay at home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by henzilla View Post
    When in Canada, I do nothing different other than work on my metric conversions and stink eye looks to the fine folks in Quebec who think being snotty to english speaking folks from the states is fun
    You need to come to BC. We can be equally snotty.

    Although, if you did happen to show up on my doorstep I could probably find room to accommodate you.

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    lived for a time in a tiny town in far northeastern Washington State and loved to cross the border and jump on BC3 then head east or west for some drop dead fantastic scenery. Now, when it comes to danger from other drivers Canadians can put the fear of god into you mighty quick with aggressive driving. The BCers aren't too bad it's the Albertans you gotta look out for, just nuts! About the only time you see the RCMP on the road is at an accident sight. I don't think Canadians get offensive when they see a US registered vehicle any more than what is normal for them they just drive aggressively by nature might be the huge distances they have to cover to get anywhere. Canadians, gotta love 'em

    If my wife had a sense of humor I'd move back up to NE Washington in a minute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jammess View Post
    The BCers aren't too bad it's the Albertans you gotta look out for, just nuts! About the only time you see the RCMP on the road is at an accident sight. I don't think Canadians get offensive when they see a US registered vehicle any more than what is normal for them they just drive aggressively by nature might be the huge distances they have to cover to get anywhere.
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    Hi bogthebasher, How much would that stuff cost up there what with what a six pack of brew will set you back.
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    Hey everyone,

    I wish to thank everyone for such an overwhelming amount of responses. I need to let it be known that I must have forgot to subscribe to this thread and was under the impression the past several days that I received ZERO responses to my question... .... I was thinking maybe nobody wanted to discuss it. Then I came back in tonight to look at the thread and find over 70 replies so my mistake, I had a lot of reading to do to catch up.

    I can totally understand a few of the sarcastic responses and am in no way offended. Perhaps they have a right to be, but I still needed to ask about it, the general consensus however has been to keep a streetwise approach and stay out of the cities. I think I just needed to hear it from experience riders out there so for that I thank you all.

    A trip south of the border is certainly not off the board now, I may even design it around one of the meets, after all, I need some sort of goal or destination! For many years I've always had the dream to see Montana. From some old movie I watched years and years ago, it just looks so awesome there, I have to see it for myself.

    I also agree that driving safety should be the number one concern, but I believe the one thing that has kept me safe thus far in every respect is to always be aware that there are no guarantees wherever you go, wherever you are driving, always be alert, always drive safe, and avoid anything that doesn't feel right. (but I have to admit sometimes I can't help but pass that truck and six cars in one go. I feel compelled to prove what the C650GT can do sometimes :P)

    Thanks all, and no I wasn't just trying to stir up the pot. I think it was a good discussion, and yes we do get quite a negative picture on the media up here and I also agree that news is for profit, and only bad news sells.

    Ride safe all, and maybe will meet some of you next summer.

    Cheers,
    Richardus

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    Thanks for checking back in Richard.
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    I'll be the contrarian on cities - they can be quite enjoyable to ride in if you avoid rush hour. I've ridden through Los Angeles, Las Vegas, Reno, Oklahoma City, Denver, New York City, St. Louis, New Orleans, Albuquerque, Phoenix, Birmingham, Nashville, Baltimore, Albany, Sacramento, Columbus, Harrisburg, Pittsburg, Ontario, Philadelphia, Quebec, Montreal, Toronto, Rochester, Baton Rouge, Tallahassee, Kansas City, Bakersfield, Reno, Salt Lake City, Topeka, Lexington, Charleston, Hartford, Springfield, Munich, Dusseldorf, Prague, Zurich, Bern, Nice, Marseille, Leon, Geneva (admittedly the last few weren't in the US or North America) - and a few dozen more that I've forgotten.

    Never had a problem. Somehow it seems I become invisible on the bike in the city, people just take no notice of me. I've been lost (thanks to Doofus the GPS) in some rather unsavory parts of some of these cities, and was never really concerned since it seemed no one saw me passing through. Probably the best city memory I have is of riding down Park Ave in NYC with a police escort going to the opening of the Art of the Motorcycle at the Guggenheim Museum. That was majorly cool. We left the BMW dealership building around 11th Ave and 44th? Had the police do a rolling traffic block all the way up Park Ave - we never had to slow down.

    Ted Simon once pointed out that people in one location will always tell you how dangerous and awful it is in another location.. and it never really is. Use a tiny bit of common sense, smile a lot and don't try to attract attention and you'll be just fine.

    And don't let fear rule your ride.

    BTW - my very FAVORITE place to ride IS Canada. I go at least once a year for the past decade. Every other year to Nova Scotia. This fall I circled Lake Ontario. A few years ago toured Montreal. Ottawa was fun. I'm always amazed at how courteous Canadian drivers are. I've never had a scare there..
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    Reminds me of all the US riders asking Canadians about the dangers from bears. I always come back from Canada with a full bottle of bear spray and an empty bottle of mosquito repellant. Fear the mosquitoes and just use common sense precautions to avoid bear encounters.

    The analogy here, is just use common sense precautions to avoid mass-murderers, but fear the ubiquitous texting and aggressive drivers.
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