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    Quote Originally Posted by Rinty View Post
    Looks good, too. That'll sell well.
    Ahhh ...... we'll see. Not too many happy Wingers I've run into over this 're-birth?!'

    True, they shaved 90 lbs. off the scale and made the engine more compact (still a flat six, and now actually 1833 cc vs. the 1832 cc of 2017), but some things are but sleight of hand.

    For example, though mileage got boosted to 42.5 mpg vs. the old 35-36 mpg's, the redesigned gas tank is 1.1 gallons smaller - end result is still the same old 200 mile range until the idiot light sends you hunting for fuel.

    Also, stripping all that weight came at a price - significantly less cargo volume. HONDA had the audacity to pass that little tweak off as "just learn to pack more efficiently." Not amused.

    The 2012 model year was a style up-grade (I own one) that resulted in increased cargo space, which Wing affectionados had been longing for. The 'new' USTL ("Universal Sport Touring Look") does not impress me.

    Got a few things right - ABS now standard, LED lighting and windshield is motorized-adjustable (old standard ones adjusted manually to 7 different positions - no moving parts to break).

    The dash is a geek's dream come true. And you thought the BMW 'wheel' had a steep learning curve?!

    DCT? If I wanted an automatic-transmission chaueffer, I'd have gotten a sub-compact from Toyota. I prefer to be operating the motorcycle - not the other way around.

    If I had the dough, I'd buy a 2017 Wing and leave it in hibernation until my 2012 pukes. Having just rolled over 50,000 miles in five summers yesterday, enjoying a late-Fall ride of a 3-day trip to the St. Louis Zoo and back, I marveled at its reliability, comfort, performance and asthetics. Going to be a long time before it gets retired - critical components engineered for 300k.

    Yeah, Yeah ........... the 'future' is coming: DCT, electric propulsion, riding modes, etc. I'll just change lanes to get out of it's way and ride a traditional, internal combustion motorcycle, manually shifting along my path into the sunset.
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    A 5 year old FJR smokes it.
    ?new suspension?
    Didn't K bikes have that 12 years ago?
    I love ALL things Honda. (especially a street legal XR 400)
    Pious Prius owners get back over to the anti Prius thread to continue your pro slow clutter!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tanker4me View Post
    ?new suspension?
    Didn't K bikes have that 12 years ago?
    Yep looks like the 2005 K1200S front end.
    BMW copied Norman Hossack's design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenwald View Post
    Ahhh ...... we'll see. Not too many happy Wingers I've run into over this 're-birth?!'
    With my minimalist mind, I probably shouldn't try to analyze what might happen in the luxo tourer market.
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    Ahhh ...... we'll see. Not too many happy Wingers I've run into over this 're-birth?!'
    Some of them wanted bigger seats since ma and pa have put on some weight, 2000cc’s, 150 hp, 200 liters storage, more weight than the new Venture, and an upholstered seat for the stuffed teddy bear. These are not motorcyclists. They are RV’ers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rinty View Post
    With my minimalist mind, I probably shouldn't try to analyze what might happen in the luxo tourer market.
    Hardly a 'minimalist mind" sir.

    And you might even be right, but I'm leaving the door open for some doubt. This is a market harder to predict because it's based on personal passions, rather then staples such as housing, municipal bonds, citrus crops, etc.

    While some features intriqued me, such as standardized ABS and a 6th gear (though I'd need a test drive to see if HONDA got that right and lowered the gearing starting out from a stop?!), it's now just a USTL, and compromised much of what makes a long-distance two-up touring machine.

    Obviously catering to a younger demographic, I fear the legendary Wing may be fading into the sunset.

    Glad I lived and rode in a time when that 904 lb. "RV," as another poster so in-graciously tagged it, existed, immune from the onslaught of the 'millennials.'

    Having found myself boxed in at a busy gas station on the south side of I-64, across from the St. Louis Zoo that I was visiting last week, I simply executed a hairpin 180 degree turn, threaded my way thru a serpentine of patrons still fueling and made a seamless escape. My SO verbally marveled at the maneuver while I just smiled inside my lid - to me, the weight of any motorcycle is irrelevant to it's 'fun factor' - the skill and confidence of the rider is what breathes life into any machine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beemerphile View Post
    Some of them wanted bigger seats since ma and pa have put on some weight, 2000cc’s, 150 hp, 200 liters storage, more weight than the new Venture, and an upholstered seat for the stuffed teddy bear. These are not motorcyclists. They are RV’ers.
    You may be right - having passed triked-out Wings pulling camping trailers with twin kayaks mounted on top, I wonder what thrill they are getting from their open-air experience?!

    For the record, I strap our little stuffed Panda to the rear trunk handle, eliminating my need for the upholstered third seat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daboo View Post
    Some quick checking on the Internet yields:
    • BMW K1600B - 741 lbs.
    • Honda Goldwing Manual Version - 787 lbs.
    • H-D Street Glide and Indian Chieftain Dark Horse weigh in at 830 and 831 lbs.

    There's a heavier Goldwing version with an airbag and other goodies that is over 800lbs, but the manual version above is more closely comparable to the K1600B...both without a top box.

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    The Honda press release that was being spread alll over recently claimed 916 lbs for the new wing. That may have been with all fluids, ready to ride. Still, FOR ME, that kind of weight equals a big NOPE. My farkled GS is as heavy as I ever want to go.

    But, Gold WIngs sell, and this one will be no exception, because there is a strong heavyweight luxo-barge market. I am sure it is a nice bike for those whose tastes are a match.

    Someone else commented on the storage. The saddlebags on the new one are (I forget) either 30L or 32L each. That is crazy. I have a pair of Hepco & BEcker 30L saddlebags that I used to run on a sport bike some years back. Fine for the junk you need around town, but IMHO woefully inadequate for touring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beemerphile View Post
    ..... and an upholstered seat for the stuffed teddy bear.
    And it should be heated with its own dedicated thermostat control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emoto View Post
    ...The saddlebags on the new one are (I forget) either 30L or 32L each. That is crazy. I have a pair of Hepco & BEcker 30L saddlebags that I used to run on a sport bike some years back. Fine for the junk you need around town, but IMHO woefully inadequate for touring.
    Stock BMW bags for the 2005-2013 RT are 32L each, Wethead bags are 33L.

    One side is sufficient for my clothing, toiletries, bath towel, netbook, electronic accessories. I mix camping and hotel nights, so the other side carries food, water and cooking gear - usually has some unused space. Shad 50L topbox carries tent, sleeping bag and pad, tarp, shoes, rain suit and bike half-cover. Bag liner with clothing goes into the hotel while the rest remains secure on the bike.

    This has proved adequate for many solo multi-week trips. Trips with my wife are hotel-only, so camping gear stays home with the kitchen sink.


    Still, I'd expect a bike as large as the GW to have more capacity, both for luggage and fuel. That fuel tank is 1.5-2.5 gallons too small for long distance travel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lkraus View Post

    Still, I'd expect a bike as large as the GW to have more capacity, both for luggage and fuel. That fuel tank is 1.5-2.5 gallons too small for long distance travel.
    There is usually a Dairy Queen within 180 miles or so. Thus a stop is planned anyway.
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    Found a pic of the GW bag:
    7-18-honda-gold-wing-saddlebag.jpg

    The interior is very oddly shaped, making it hard to use efficiently. (I thought the RT pannier was bad!) Looks like it has lots of wasted space under the bodywork.
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    2018 Gold Wing Dealer Video

    Here's what the dealers were sent as info on the new Gold Wing:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti0JEGAPd5A

    Honda appears to have set its sights on the K1600GTL/GT as the model for the redesign of the Wing.

    For comparison:

    2018 BMW K1600GTL luggage capacity = 115 liters; wet weight = 772 lbs
    2018 Honda Gold Wing Tour luggage capacity = 110 liters; wet weight - 833 lbs

    What I like about the Honda is that GPS is standard; there are NO factory options, only dealer options. And, Honda dealers are everywhere.

    However, my 2018 R1200RT weighs 604 lbs, and has all the features of the new Honda and GTL. It's the perfect bike for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boborgail View Post
    However, my 2018 R1200RT weighs 604 lbs, and has all the features of the new Honda and GTL. It's the perfect bike for me.
    Hey Bob, how do you think you would react to a sport tourer design w/ a P:W ratio slightly greater than your RT, with ABS Pro, Dynamic ESA w/ ride modes, electric screen, ASC, TPM, heated grips/seat, side cases similar R1200RS style included, same ergonomics as your RT, coming in at a wet weight of 520lbs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lkraus View Post
    Found a pic of the GW bag:
    7-18-honda-gold-wing-saddlebag.jpg

    The interior is very oddly shaped, making it hard to use efficiently. (I thought the RT pannier was bad!) Looks like it has lots of wasted space under the bodywork.
    Still, better than the Victory Vision side cases which looked huge but were not much larger than a lunchbox. Sure, the Vision was a love it / hate it bike but I liked it - YMMV.
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