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    Quote Originally Posted by jandhumphreyme View Post
    I cannot warm up to a bike that I have to remove a radiator to adjust the valves, or remove the cams to change shims (been there done that).
    Can you change the shims on a new Goldwing without removing the cams?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    Can you change the shims on a new Goldwing without removing the cams?
    I don't know - but you can on a K75.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    Can you change the shims on a new Goldwing without removing the cams?
    The literature says that it is a unicam engine. If it is typical of other Honda unicam engines, the intake valves are directly actuated by the camshaft and the exhaust valves (which normally need more frequent adjustment) are actuated by rockers with lash adjustment screws. Adjusting the intake valve clearances requires removing the camshaft, but I do not know whether they were clever enough to design it so that the cam timing chains do not need to be removed.
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    I think the new GW is really beautiful and agree it will sell well. But it's also insane overkill for size and displacement, most especially for 1 up riding! I would love to see them come out with a GW Lite as it were, taking the basic layout including electric screen, heated seats, must have TPM, lose the audio package, and lighten it w/ a 1000cc 4 cylinder engine w/ transverse crankshaft and 50K mile change interval belt drive for weight reduction w/ increased power transfer to the rear wheel, coming in at maybe 530lbs. It would take serious ingenuity to pull this off at this weight, but I think it can be done for certain. This design if done to the level of quality and perfection the new GW is would garner major appeal to the aging crowd who are always inclined to look for less weight but would still love to have most all of the bells and whistles you find on the upper end and always much heavier luxury ST's. Honda has the perfect empty spot in its lineup for this model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    I don't know - but you can on a K75.
    Yep I liked the K75 setup. Very easy to check and in the rare case when a shim needed to be replaced it only took a few minutes to exchange shims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daboo View Post
    Did you notice that Honda built-in the tip over wings for protection? Why doesn't BMW do that?

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    They did, K1200LT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FATBOB View Post
    They did, K1200LT.
    The K1200LT went out of production 10 years ago. Which of the current boxer models have built-in protection to keep from getting engine damage in even a "SAD" (stopped and dropped)? And the K1600GT...I've read if you get a scratch on the engine, the bike is totaled.

    Honda had tip over protection for the ST1100, the ST1300, the NT700V, the NT650 and the Goldwings. Designed in. It protects the engine, even if the bike is moving when it falls. Replacement rubber covers cost about $12. Why doesn't BMW do the same? Just asking...

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    Quote Originally Posted by daboo View Post
    Honda had tip over protection for the ST1100, the ST1300, the NT700V, the NT650 and the Goldwings. Designed in. It protects the engine, even if the bike is moving when it falls. Replacement rubber covers cost about $12. Why doesn't BMW do the same? Just asking...

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    I guess the short answer is people are still buying them w/o tip over protection, so apparently it isn't high enough of a priority for anyone who ends up pulling the trigger on one of the models that can sustain engine damage w/o some kind of protection. I guess BMW figures it will cost more to add plus risk being a detriment to styling. Some people don't care for cage guards over their boxers either.

    Fortunately, if it's a priority for someone they can add the various protection options, so in a small way it also keeps the cost down for those who think they can get away without it. I've thought a lot about getting one of the cage guards for the front but haven't and that in part is from an assumption on my part that static or very low speed tip overs are not going to take out a head. Maybe that's not correct I really don't know. I've seen just one story on a forum w/ photos of heads dragged across the pavement enough to get into moving parts, so clearly any sort of speed drop can end up possibly doing more serious damage w/o serious protection. I also figure that's why I have full insurance coverage if the engine is totaled, so all I installed (dealer threw in) for protection is BMW's valve cover guards and side case bumpers. Wish me continued luck!

    All this being said, I'd love BMW to add effective protection...and while they're at it design in a motorized device that will jack the bike back up after I drop it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by daboo View Post

    Honda had tip over protection for the ST1100, the ST1300, the NT700V, the NT650 and the Goldwings. Designed in. It protects the engine, even if the bike is moving when it falls. Replacement rubber covers cost about $12. Why doesn't BMW do the same? Just asking...

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    I had a slow speed low side at an intersection on my 06 Honda ST1300. Oil / fuel spill at stop sign. Zero damage except for the plastic piece that covers the tip over bar. I think I gave about $7 for the replacement cover.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JT_R1200S View Post
    Honda has now joined the current decade after 17 years...

    How about the new high tech Wishbone front suspension?
    80 LBS lighter
    20% better Fuel economy
    New 7 Speed Automatic transmission option
    All new 1833 cc flat 6 - 24 valve engine
    4 selectable ride modes

    Looks good, should ride better than any Goldwing yet. Still keeping my 2003, but maybe in a few years...

    BMW I really like my WetHead R1200R, what are you bringing us in a new K1600?

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    Looks almost exactly like the K1600 Bagger.

    https://www.autoevolution.com/news/k...10.html#agal_2

    What's Honda's new GW have that the Bagger doesn't have?
    Reliability?
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    New Goldwing

    How does that compare with the 1600GTL weight-wise? I'm sure that Honda did their homework on this one. The 7 speed dual-clutch trans is long overdue

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    Some quick checking on the Internet yields:
    • BMW K1600B - 741 lbs.
    • Honda Goldwing Manual Version - 787 lbs.
    • H-D Street Glide and Indian Chieftain Dark Horse weigh in at 830 and 831 lbs.

    There's a heavier Goldwing version with an airbag and other goodies that is over 800lbs, but the manual version above is more closely comparable to the K1600B...both without a top box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by will3hawks View Post
    How does that compare with the 1600GTL weight-wise?
    The GTL weighs 772 Lbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daboo View Post
    Some quick checking on the Internet yields:
    [*]Honda Goldwing Manual Version - 787 lbs.
    Is that with the trunk or without?
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    The old Subaru 360 City Car was around 900lbs IIRC.
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