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    It Has Arrived - BMW what are you bringing to the table?

    Honda has now joined the current decade after 17 years...

    How about the new high tech Wishbone front suspension?
    80 LBS lighter
    20% better Fuel economy
    New 7 Speed Automatic transmission option
    All new 1833 cc flat 6 - 24 valve engine
    4 selectable ride modes

    Looks good, should ride better than any Goldwing yet. Still keeping my 2003, but maybe in a few years...

    BMW I really like my WetHead R1200R, what are you bringing us in a new K1600?

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    Looks good, too. That'll sell well.
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    It's beautiful, been toying with the idea that I need a K1600 or Goldwing but I wish they would all wake up and start lowering the engine displacements some, BMW included, with 20% fuel mileage increase does that mean it will finally reach 40 mpg? My Passat get's better mileage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jandhumphreyme View Post
    ...I wish they would all wake up and start lowering the engine displacements some, BMW included, with 20% fuel mileage increase does that mean it will finally reach 40 mpg? My Passat get's better mileage.
    Exactly. I'll refrain from saying what my Prius Prime gets - touchy subject around here!

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    Interesting.
    I'll pack it away in the memory banks and give it another look in two years when used ones will be coming on the market.
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    Honda claims 42 mpg for the new 'Wing, (compared to 35 mpg for the old one):

    https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/auto/2...-wing/preview/
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKsuited View Post
    Exactly. I'll refrain from saying what my Prius Prime gets - touchy subject around here!

    My wife gets 68 mpg on hers...

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    Did you notice that Honda built-in the tip over wings for protection? Why doesn't BMW do that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by daboo View Post
    My wife gets 68 mpg on hers...

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    My Prime sits @ 88.1 mpg at the moment...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rinty View Post
    Looks good, too. That'll sell well.
    Ahhh ...... we'll see. Not too many happy Wingers I've run into over this 're-birth?!'

    True, they shaved 90 lbs. off the scale and made the engine more compact (still a flat six, and now actually 1833 cc vs. the 1832 cc of 2017), but some things are but sleight of hand.

    For example, though mileage got boosted to 42.5 mpg vs. the old 35-36 mpg's, the redesigned gas tank is 1.1 gallons smaller - end result is still the same old 200 mile range until the idiot light sends you hunting for fuel.

    Also, stripping all that weight came at a price - significantly less cargo volume. HONDA had the audacity to pass that little tweak off as "just learn to pack more efficiently." Not amused.

    The 2012 model year was a style up-grade (I own one) that resulted in increased cargo space, which Wing affectionados had been longing for. The 'new' USTL ("Universal Sport Touring Look") does not impress me.

    Got a few things right - ABS now standard, LED lighting and windshield is motorized-adjustable (old standard ones adjusted manually to 7 different positions - no moving parts to break).

    The dash is a geek's dream come true. And you thought the BMW 'wheel' had a steep learning curve?!

    DCT? If I wanted an automatic-transmission chaueffer, I'd have gotten a sub-compact from Toyota. I prefer to be operating the motorcycle - not the other way around.

    If I had the dough, I'd buy a 2017 Wing and leave it in hibernation until my 2012 pukes. Having just rolled over 50,000 miles in five summers yesterday, enjoying a late-Fall ride of a 3-day trip to the St. Louis Zoo and back, I marveled at its reliability, comfort, performance and asthetics. Going to be a long time before it gets retired - critical components engineered for 300k.

    Yeah, Yeah ........... the 'future' is coming: DCT, electric propulsion, riding modes, etc. I'll just change lanes to get out of it's way and ride a traditional, internal combustion motorcycle, manually shifting along my path into the sunset.
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    A 5 year old FJR smokes it.
    ?new suspension?
    Didn't K bikes have that 12 years ago?
    I love ALL things Honda. (especially a street legal XR 400)
    Pious Prius owners get back over to the anti Prius thread to continue your pro slow clutter!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tanker4me View Post
    ?new suspension?
    Didn't K bikes have that 12 years ago?
    Yep looks like the 2005 K1200S front end.
    BMW copied Norman Hossack's design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenwald View Post
    Ahhh ...... we'll see. Not too many happy Wingers I've run into over this 're-birth?!'
    With my minimalist mind, I probably shouldn't try to analyze what might happen in the luxo tourer market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rinty View Post
    With my minimalist mind, I probably shouldn't try to analyze what might happen in the luxo tourer market.
    Hardly a 'minimalist mind" sir.

    And you might even be right, but I'm leaving the door open for some doubt. This is a market harder to predict because it's based on personal passions, rather then staples such as housing, municipal bonds, citrus crops, etc.

    While some features intriqued me, such as standardized ABS and a 6th gear (though I'd need a test drive to see if HONDA got that right and lowered the gearing starting out from a stop?!), it's now just a USTL, and compromised much of what makes a long-distance two-up touring machine.

    Obviously catering to a younger demographic, I fear the legendary Wing may be fading into the sunset.

    Glad I lived and rode in a time when that 904 lb. "RV," as another poster so in-graciously tagged it, existed, immune from the onslaught of the 'millennials.'

    Having found myself boxed in at a busy gas station on the south side of I-64, across from the St. Louis Zoo that I was visiting last week, I simply executed a hairpin 180 degree turn, threaded my way thru a serpentine of patrons still fueling and made a seamless escape. My SO verbally marveled at the maneuver while I just smiled inside my lid - to me, the weight of any motorcycle is irrelevant to it's 'fun factor' - the skill and confidence of the rider is what breathes life into any machine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greenwald View Post
    Ahhh ...... we'll see. Not too many happy Wingers I've run into over this 're-birth?!'
    Some of them wanted bigger seats since ma and pa have put on some weight, 2000cc’s, 150 hp, 200 liters storage, more weight than the new Venture, and an upholstered seat for the stuffed teddy bear. These are not motorcyclists. They are RV’ers.
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