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    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    ... I am now a Ludddite...
    I don't think it's about Luddism, but about any particular individual's threshold for tech fatigue and / or worry. There's a major discussion on this topic going on in the Pelican Parts forum right now, and it's interesting how many tech experts have even hit their threshold for assimilating additional tech.

    I have been really tempted to get a new R1200RS, but I think I have concluded that the tech level is over my threshold. For a number of years I had a 1996 911, and the worry over that car's notorious Immobilizaer system, among other things, drove me to sell it. I've never looked back. I find that I learn something from each machine that I own, or have owned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rinty View Post
    I don't think it's about Luddism, but about any particular individual's threshold for tech fatigue and / or worry. There's a major discussion on this topic going on in the Pelican Parts forum right now, and it's interesting how many tech experts have even hit their threshold for assimilating additional tech.
    I have noticed this also in areas like audiophile fora wherein more and more the mantra is 'Just because one can does not mean one should' as the message (listening to great quality music and vocals) is lost in the technology, protocols, software or requiring interoperability of proprietary communications, WiFi or Bluetooth to get to the speakers. Gut feel sometimes a simple wired connection is most reliable. Lately when it comes to things like this, I too have often reached my threshold for unneeded over engineered complexity even though I spent my entire schooling and career in various Electronics occupations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rapiddog View Post
    Having rescued two R100GSPD's and also had an '05 and '10 R12GS, the wethead GS is worlds apart no cliche' intended.
    I loved all my airheads and the R100GS platform definitely a favorite.

    I always figured a camhead (or other) GS would always be my fate, because I could work on them. Wetheads, out of my league and wrenchability (I thought).
    But in reality, motor-wize it's still pretty accessible, no worse than any oilhead.

    I had my 2010 GS for a couple years (plain Jane non-ESA etc.) and spent loads of time and money making it right for me. Shocks, exhaust, seat, yadda-yadda.
    After riding it to Utah and back, thought it was very capable, at my age I realized that comfort was now top priority. Running 500 miles days actually gave me calluses on my throttle hand.

    When I got back I sold everything, parts, bikes, et-al and had enough to go buy a new 2017.7 GS.
    All I can say is this is the best motorcycle and best boxer I've ever owned.
    I don't have to do a thing to it. Not the seat, not the pegs, not the pipes. Just a few personal touches as needed.

    For me it's just a marvel. Perfect, and descriptively more BMW 'automotive' than BMW moto.
    I am so happy and feel so fortunate (and safe) riding this bike.
    It checks all the boxes, suspension, safety, cruise control, comfortable seat, plenty o' power, shifts like no other boxer, and handles like a dream.

    Nice thing is I don't have to wrench on it, but I will be able to do the services when the time comes.
    Not looking back...

    I could not agree more that it checks all the boxes,
    Just had my 700 mile check today on my new 2017R1200 GS
    It might be the best motorcycle I've ever had
    I've been motorcycling for 50 years,many street bikes, raced Flat track ,enduros,ice raced ,trials ,lived and breathed motorcycle Motorsports and still do
    this is my first BMW
    ever
    in well over 50 motorcycles ,
    I did an edelweiss Pyrenees extreme tour in September this year and rode Africa Twin that I just loved, we had a nice group all real good riders and our tour guide loved to go fast all day ,there were a few GSs and R1200 Rs too, Multistradas,S100XRs
    See GSs everywhere in Europe ,mostly GSs as well
    When I got home I was blown away how good the AT was and in the market to replace my 40K 2008 C -14
    with something more versatile for New England riding were country roads turn to dirt and passing lots of two track trails that would beckon me to explore,
    I'm about 80% road so I should really ride a GS ,went to MAX BMW test rode knew in 5 miles,
    I remember when BMWs were old mans bikes......not anymore!!!! The wetheads are modern motors now.
    It's crazy!!! So much fun and balanced,so easy to go fast on,gobs of torque,guick shift etc etc.
    Plus it goes down the slab at 75-90 like nothing on CControl
    Just hope all this German technology keeps working ,service can be very expensive if you get a troublesome one,it seems that there getting much better,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rinty View Post
    I don't think it's about Luddism, but about any particular individual's threshold for tech fatigue and / or worry.
    I have been really tempted to get a new R1200RS, but I think I have concluded that the tech level is over my threshold. .
    Get the R1200RS!

    I've had mine 2 1/2 years....NO Problems what so ever. Love the bike....No regrets at all
    You only go around once...enjoy what the world offers up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rinty View Post
    I don't think it's about Luddism, but about any particular individual's threshold for tech fatigue and / or worry. There's a major discussion on this topic going on in the Pelican Parts forum right now, and it's interesting how many tech experts have even hit their threshold for assimilating additional tech...
    I'm fortunate in that my local BMW dealer lets me take his bikes out for long extended test rides. His comment when I took the RT out this week was that he closes at 6pm. It gives me an opportunity to look and dream about what might be the next bike...and realize I like what I have already.

    Your comment, and Paul's on the first page really strike home to me. I was in IT for 10 years at a major aircraft company, but I still don't like tech for tech's sake. I took both the RT (and the RS a couple months before) out for about 3 hours on just about every kind of road environment you can get. I had the ESA set to Dynamic, and really didn't feel the addition of the dynamic mode really improved things over what I have on my F800GT with a more basic suspension. The RT has a lot of features, and the menu system will let you display just about anything on the dash...but you have to go through layers and layers of menu settings to find it. Or at least that's what it felt to me. As emlevy said it, the gadgets and controls were distracting.

    My suggestion on whether to get a RT or GS model, is simply to get a test ride. We'll all be glad to help you spend your money, but only you can decide. As for reliability, I'd just look through the models for what others have experienced for breakdowns. Asking the question of whether you should buy a new BMW on a BMW forum will get you a very predictable answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobzeliff View Post
    Get the R1200RS!

    I've had mine 2 1/2 years....NO Problems what so ever. Love the bike....No regrets at all
    You only go around once...enjoy what the world offers up!
    Thanks for the encouragement, Bob, and I may still do that. I'm impressed with the enthusiasm here, and on ADVrider, for the new machines, and I know I wouldn't worry about it like I did my car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daboo View Post
    Asking the question of whether you should buy a new BMW on a BMW forum will get you a very predictable answer. Chris
    Yah, you guys are good!
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    Road noise?

    So, I test rode an R 1200 GS today. I was surprised at the amount of road noise in the wind noise when traveling at highway speed. Granted, these are not highway bikes like the RTs, but there will be a fair bit of highway travel in my life, by necessity how have you found that aspect of this bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by daboo View Post
    The RT has a lot of features, and the menu system will let you display just about anything on the dash...but you have to go through layers and layers of menu settings to find it. Or at least that's what it felt to me. Chris
    Newbie talk Chris--in short order you're doing all you need to do blindly w/ the Wheel o' Fortune and rocker switch. Power, handling, comfort, ease of maintenance, GPS where you need it, and fabulous reliability...at least so far

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    Quote Originally Posted by brookscooper View Post
    So, I test rode an R 1200 GS today. I was surprised at the amount of road noise in the wind noise when traveling at highway speed. Granted, these are not highway bikes like the RTs, but there will be a fair bit of highway travel in my life, by necessity how have you found that aspect of this bike?
    It's impossible to beat a well designed electric windscreen--so nice to have full control over air flow w/ a simple rocker button press.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobzeliff View Post
    Get the R1200RS!

    I've had mine 2 1/2 years....NO Problems what so ever.
    BMW appears to be proving they have reliability well back in hand w/ the new boxer models.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brookscooper View Post
    So, I test rode an R 1200 GS today. I was surprised at the amount of road noise in the wind noise when traveling at highway speed. Granted, these are not highway bikes like the RTs, but there will be a fair bit of hiway travel in my life, by necessity how have you found that aspect of this bike?
    I've been battling the wind noise issue on my 2016 GSW as well. Good ear plugs/buds really help, and an aftermarket windscreen is a must; depending upon your body height, of course.
    However, every other aspect of this bike is SO damn good, I'm willing to suffer that one aspect.
    Loved my R1100S for over 100,000 miles, and still own it, but the new GS is unquestionably a better bike.
    Ride Safe, Ride Lots

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncpbmw1953 View Post
    BMW appears to be proving they have reliability well back in hand w/ the new boxer models.
    So if there is a failure in the ride mode system or the engine mode system, do they default to "normal"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digtlartst View Post
    As great as the RTW is, a potential downside to latest bikes is that their components are so complex and parts are so expensive that a catastrophic failure out of warranty likely would be crazy expensive to repair. D-ESA shock replacement? Ouch.
    I understand there are 3rd party repair services that will do the D-ESA shock replacement for around $1,100 and it will be better than OEM, or something along those lines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rinty View Post
    So if there is a failure in the ride mode system or the engine mode system, do they default to "normal"?
    This comes w/ all technology I'm afraid, and I agree it's all a relative house of cards thru and including everything from the internet, the power grid, your car, your cell phone, your TV, Equifax, the banking system, and even the nukes! I'm afraid we're all in a brave new weird world and buying a little bit of peace by trimming off very useful and desirable features brought to us by advancing tech might work for some but I think for me my best hope is to stop demanding certainty! It's a thing of the past!

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