Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 18

Thread: Maintenance after the warranty expires

  1. #1
    Registered User wbrownell9's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    New Castle, DE
    Posts
    270

    Maintenance after the warranty expires

    Who keeps to the 6,000 mile maintenance intervals after the warranty is gone? After 20 months I am just shy of 79,000 miles and am thinking of going to 10,000 mile intervals. I use synthetic oil and the valves have yet to need adjusting. Obviously most of my riding is long days but there have been a number of days when I only rode 15-20 miles, still plenty of time to get it properly warmed up. I've never sent my oil in for analysis. I'm thinking that each time would be change engine and bevel gear oil, and check air filter and valves. Basically a 12K service (without the new plugs) every 10K, and skip the engine oil change in the middle. Replace the plugs every 20K (BMW says every 12 but cars seem to last forever these days).

    Thoughts?
    2016 R1200 GSA

  2. #2
    Registered User marcopolo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Alexandria Virginia/Ottawa, Canada
    Posts
    897
    I plan to follow the factory-recommened maintenance schedule on my GSA when the warranty is up, just like I did with my RT, that I had for 9 years. I just assume the folk who made it know better than I.
    Mark
    2015 R 1200 GS Adventure

  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by marcopolo View Post
    I plan to follow the factory-recommened maintenance schedule on my GSA when the warranty is up, just like I did with my RT, that I had for 9 years. I just assume the folk who made it know better than I.

    Rare is it to meet a high mileage BMW owner who has followed the factory maintenance schedule, to the letter, and subsequently had significant mechanical issues.

  4. #4
    Registered User gsinnc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Charlotte, NC
    Posts
    305
    I actually change oil & filter more frequently since it is so cheap to do myself. But I stick to the manufacturer schedule for everything else. For me it is just cheap insurance. But then I am a bit OCD .... OK a LOT OCD.
    Ed Apelian
    When Life Throws You a Curve Lean into it!
    2012 R1200GSA Magma Red!
    2016 R1200RT- Platinum Bronze

  5. #5
    When I bought my K75 in 1986 the maintenance schedule was a minor service at 5,000 miles, and a major service at 10,000 miles. But note: at the same time in metric countries it was a minor service at 10,000 kilometers and a major seervice at 20,000 kilometers. These metric specifications work out to about 6,200 and 12,400 miles. So some litigious/argumentative American patriot took BMW to task about cheating him with too frequent service. Thus we arrive at 6,000 and 12,000 service intervals in the U.S.

    On our fleet I tend to stick to the 5,000 and 10,000 intervals purely for my own convenience: a glance at an odometer and it is obvious when the 5K and 10K intervals are arriving.

    If I am on a trip I don't sweat anything routine except balding tires and a possible oil change if it will be anything substantially over the current 6K specification.
    Paul Glaves - "Big Bend", Texas U.S.A
    "The greatest challenge to any thinker is stating the problem in a way that will allow a solution." - Bertrand Russell
    http://web.bigbend.net/~glaves/

  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by wbrownell9 View Post
    Who keeps to the 6,000 mile maintenance intervals after the warranty is gone? After 20 months I am just shy of 79,000 miles and am thinking of going to 10,000 mile intervals. I use synthetic oil and the valves have yet to need adjusting. Obviously most of my riding is long days but there have been a number of days when I only rode 15-20 miles, still plenty of time to get it properly warmed up. I've never sent my oil in for analysis. I'm thinking that each time would be change engine and bevel gear oil, and check air filter and valves. Basically a 12K service (without the new plugs) every 10K, and skip the engine oil change in the middle. Replace the plugs every 20K (BMW says every 12 but cars seem to last forever these days).

    Thoughts?
    I have 87,300 on my 14RT which I bought in November 2014 and have always had my dealer do the 12,000 mile maintenance I change the oil and filter myself at the 6,000 mile mark instead of wasting a day at the dealer unless I happen to be traveling ,then I'll take it to a local BMW shop . I had my 04RT for five years and always had my dealer service it per BMW recommendations that's probably why I received $4,500 trade in with 108,000 on the odometer. I'm a firm believer in supporting my dealer , if he didn't exist I wouldn't have a Beemer.

  7. #7
    Registered User gsinnc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Charlotte, NC
    Posts
    305
    Quote Originally Posted by rhaines View Post
    ............. I'm a firm believer in supporting my dealer , if he didn't exist I wouldn't have a Beemer.
    Could not agree more !
    Ed Apelian
    When Life Throws You a Curve Lean into it!
    2012 R1200GSA Magma Red!
    2016 R1200RT- Platinum Bronze

  8. #8
    Registered User LFarling's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2016
    Location
    Harrisburg, PA
    Posts
    198
    Personally I will continue on the laid out and prescribed maintenance schedule and procedure.

    Why would you deviate?

    First if you are changing oil before 6000 miles you are wasting resources, money, and time.

    I use Liqui Moly and it is 56.00 to the door for 4 Liters. I use a K&N oil filter for about 8 bucks, so 64.00 bucks every 6K is ok with me. So even on a fixed income I live with it and have no worries I am not taking care of my bike.

    My last UOA showed to extend my drain interval if I wished to 7000 miles.

    Unless you do a UOA you have no clue how you motor or oil is performing.

    Do what ever you like but in this day and age of true Synthetic Oils both POA and Ester based you can extend the changes but you should spend the 25 bucks to see how your oil is wearing before blindly changing oil at your own random chosen mileage. You get two UOA on the oil of your choice it will give you the guideline to change your oil.

    Again changing early is truly a waste of money and resources but as I always say, your bike do as you like, I am not paying the bills.
    2015 R 1200 RT LC
    San Marino Blue
    Dark Side 205/50/ZR17

  9. #9
    Registered User gsinnc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Charlotte, NC
    Posts
    305
    Quote Originally Posted by LFarling View Post
    Personally I will continue on the laid out and prescribed maintenance schedule and procedure.

    Why would you deviate?

    First if you are changing oil before 6000 miles you are wasting resources, money, and time.

    I use Liqui Moly and it is 56.00 to the door for 4 Liters. I use a K&N oil filter for about 8 bucks, so 64.00 bucks every 6K is ok with me. So even on a fixed income I live with it and have no worries I am not taking care of my bike.

    My last UOA showed to extend my drain interval if I wished to 7000 miles.

    Unless you do a UOA you have no clue how you motor or oil is performing.

    Do what ever you like but in this day and age of true Synthetic Oils both POA and Ester based you can extend the changes but you should spend the 25 bucks to see how your oil is wearing before blindly changing oil at your own random chosen mileage. You get two UOA on the oil of your choice it will give you the guideline to change your oil.

    Again changing early is truly a waste of money and resources but as I always say, your bike do as you like, I am not paying the bills.
    Oil change and filter (Castrol Full Synthetic and BMW Filter) costs me about $40 for the RTW and even less for my 2012 GSA where I use non-synthetic. I change about every 3000 miles. With 2 bikes in my garage that has historically been about 1-2 oil changes per year. But now that I am retired that should increase. Like I said for me that is cheap insurance and I enjoy doing it.
    Ed Apelian
    When Life Throws You a Curve Lean into it!
    2012 R1200GSA Magma Red!
    2016 R1200RT- Platinum Bronze

  10. #10
    Registered User LFarling's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2016
    Location
    Harrisburg, PA
    Posts
    198
    Quote Originally Posted by gsinnc View Post
    Oil change and filter (Castrol Full Synthetic and BMW Filter) costs me about $40 for the RTW and even less for my 2012 GSA where I use non-synthetic. I change about every 3000 miles. With 2 bikes in my garage that has historically been about 1-2 oil changes per year. But now that I am retired that should increase. Like I said for me that is cheap insurance and I enjoy doing it.
    Not going to debate oils with you but your Castrol Full Synthetic is not a full synthetic as adhered to the standard of PAO or Ester based oils.

    Castrol is Group III, PAO is Group IV and Ester is Group V.

    Your cost should be your first clue.

    You are not buying a true Synthetic PAO or Ester for 6 or 7 dollars a quart.

    Again not an oil debate in this thread but you need to be informed and do some research into oil groups to better understand oil.

    Winning a lawsuit to use a name or slogan on your oil does not make it synthetic. Castrol is still dino juice. Group IV or V have no dino juice in them at all.
    2015 R 1200 RT LC
    San Marino Blue
    Dark Side 205/50/ZR17

  11. #11
    Registered User gsinnc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Charlotte, NC
    Posts
    305
    Quote Originally Posted by LFarling View Post
    Not going to debate oils with you but your Castrol Full Synthetic is not a full synthetic as adhered to the standard of PAO or Ester based oils.

    Castrol is Group III, PAO is Group IV and Ester is Group V.

    Your cost should be your first clue.

    You are not buying a true Synthetic PAO or Ester for 6 or 7 dollars a quart.

    Again not an oil debate in this thread but you need to be informed and do some research into oil groups to better understand oil.

    Winning a lawsuit to use a name or slogan on your oil does not make it synthetic. Castrol is still dino juice. Group IV or V have no dino juice in them at all.
    You are correct I am not going to debate you on the science behind Castrol or any other oil. (although the courts did rule in Castrol's favor when Mobil sued them) I do know that cost does not equate to a better or lesser oil. What I do know is that Castrol 4T Full Synthetic meets all the BMW manufacturer requirements and is less expensive than the BMW Advantec Oil by about 50% and is sold at BMW Dealers alongside the Adventic Oil. I do know that I have used Castrol oil in all my vehicles for years with excellent results.

    In addition since I have had excellent success using "dino juice" my recent move to the Castrol "labeled" synthetic should only be a step up while still saving about 50% over the BMW Adventec.

    I also found this interesting .... Castrol 4T Syntetic picked #2

    https://bestsyntheticoilguide.com/sy...le-oil-review/
    Last edited by gsinnc; 10-10-2017 at 07:15 AM. Reason: added info
    Ed Apelian
    When Life Throws You a Curve Lean into it!
    2012 R1200GSA Magma Red!
    2016 R1200RT- Platinum Bronze

  12. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    On our fleet I tend to stick to the 5,000 and 10,000 intervals purely for my own convenience: a glance at an odometer and it is obvious when the 5K and 10K intervals are arriving.
    ^This^ I used to keep a PMS blackboard in the shop with ODO for next service on each bike, but this is substantially easier on the aging brain and errs on the conservative side. With my camhead and brick, the valve checks are done at the 10K and with the airhead they are done at the 5K. Otherwise, same-o.
    Lee A. Dickinson - Danielsville, GA USA
    MOA 80364 | RA 29650 | ABC 3480 | IBA 8914
    1992 R100RS - 1993 K1100RS - 2013 R1200GS

  13. #13
    Registered User LFarling's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2016
    Location
    Harrisburg, PA
    Posts
    198
    Quote Originally Posted by gsinnc View Post
    You are correct I am not going to debate you on the science behind Castrol or any other oil. (although the courts did rule in Castrol's favor when Mobil sued them) I do know that cost does not equate to a better or lesser oil. What I do know is that Castrol 4T Full Synthetic meets all the BMW manufacturer requirements and is less expensive than the BMW Advantec Oil by about 50% and is sold at BMW Dealers alongside the Adventic Oil. I do know that I have used Castrol oil in all my vehicles for years with excellent results.

    In addition since I have had excellent success using "dino juice" my recent move to the Castrol "labeled" synthetic should only be a step up while still saving about 50% over the BMW Adventec.

    I also found this interesting .... Castrol 4T Syntetic picked #2

    https://bestsyntheticoilguide.com/sy...le-oil-review/
    At 3000 mile changes you could use the cheapest oil in 5W-40 on the planet and have no issues for the life of the bike. But what are you saving? I do it at 6000 miles and my cost is 64 bucks, you change at 3000 and your cost is 40 bucks X 2 = 80 bucks plus 2 X time labor and yes your time has a cost associated with it.

    Again your bike run what you want. Any oil that meets the specs of BMW is fine as you say. However any oil should go 6000 miles with no issue.

    I stand by my statement you are wasting resources both of oil (especially a dino base stock) and filter materials by changing oil at 3000 miles. You are doing nothing for the bike that 6000 mile changes would not do and just emptying your wallet.

    That said this is America and you can do as you please. Your money your bike.

    I have nothing against Castrol oil I used Castrol GTX in all my cars up until 15-20 years ago.

    I use Mobile 1 0W-20W and I am at 8000 mile changes according to UOA's from new on the car.

    If you want, spend that next 3000 mile oil change money on a UOA at 6000 on your oil then tell us what it says.

    The only way to see what your motor is doing and how your oil is doing is through a UOA, period. Then you can tell us about success. Until then it is just opinion and I am not sure how you can say success? What are the various metals percent? What is the silicate percent? Is there any gas in the oil. Any antifreeze? The metal content based on what metal will indicate wear or non wear of various metals used in the motor. For 25 bucks it is a great way to see how things are wearing or not wearing in your motor and if the oil is truly doing it's job.

    In warranty or out, one would be foolish to think you can out engineer BMW and the maintenance guidelines they use.
    2015 R 1200 RT LC
    San Marino Blue
    Dark Side 205/50/ZR17

  14. #14
    Like squirrels gathering nuts, the re-emergence of oil threads reliably signals the coming of winter. I wonder if an early start means a longer or more severe winter?

    Still-packing-for-winter.jpg
    Last edited by beemerphile; 10-10-2017 at 12:43 PM.
    Lee A. Dickinson - Danielsville, GA USA
    MOA 80364 | RA 29650 | ABC 3480 | IBA 8914
    1992 R100RS - 1993 K1100RS - 2013 R1200GS

  15. #15
    Registered User gsinnc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Charlotte, NC
    Posts
    305
    Quote Originally Posted by beemerphile View Post
    Like squirrels gathering nuts, the re-emergence of oil threads reliably signals the coming of winter? I wonder if an early start means a longer or more severe winter?

    Still-packing-for-winter.jpg
    Thanks for the laugh! I suspect it depends on the type and quality of the nut that squirrel has in his mouth which will directly impact the quality of the nut and its individual longevity. If he is storing a nut known to have a longer shelf life then the research probably assumes a longer winter. But in any case a nut is a nut and as long as he is storing them he will be fine over the long haul!
    Ed Apelian
    When Life Throws You a Curve Lean into it!
    2012 R1200GSA Magma Red!
    2016 R1200RT- Platinum Bronze

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 16
    Last Post: 03-23-2017, 04:18 AM
  2. Warranty Ran Out
    By wbrownell9 in forum Wetheads
    Replies: 19
    Last Post: 11-21-2016, 02:38 PM
  3. Warranty Help
    By hintzir09 in forum Hexheads/Camheads
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 12-09-2009, 05:07 AM
  4. Dealer maintenance/warranty
    By UBERMON in forum Forum Software Specific Help. NOT for bike related questions.
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 11-20-2005, 02:28 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •