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    Couldn't believe my eyes

    I was on a business trip in another state which does not require helmets and I saw a guy ride by on a K16GTL in shorts, a polo shirt, running shoes and of course no helmet. It seems obvious to me that this is something you should not do but I wonder how much the norm of not requiring a helmet sets the bar so low for acceptable activity for riders. Not that BMW riders are suppose to be superior but I thought it brought a different mindset than that.
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    Am not sure if the law should dictate if you should wear a helmet or not.
    It is up to the individual to have common sense. However, even some
    helmets are only good for when a bird leaves you a message! Open face
    is nice, you breed better, can show off your beard or even smoke while riding,
    but is it worth it? just a small rock thrown from a truck can crack a windshield,
    I don't think a skull is stronger than that! And then there are the bugs and flies.
    Here is how my helmet looked like in just a minute or so! Imagine how a rider
    would look like even with open face helmet, never mind no helmet at all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by selyab View Post
    I was on a business trip in another state which does not require helmets and I saw a guy ride by on a K16GTL in shorts, a polo shirt, running shoes and of course no helmet. I seems obvious to me that this is something you should not do but I wonder how much the norm of not requiring a helmet sets the bar so low for acceptable activity for riders. Not that BMW riders are suppose to be superior but I thought it brought a different mindset than that.

    Isn't that HIS decision to make ?

    How'bout this...because {I} think so.......we all should wear helmets while driving our cars.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by 71243 View Post
    Isn't that HIS decision to make ?

    How'bout this...because {I} think so.......we all should wear helmets while driving our cars.....

    I did not intend for the post to be about who gets to decide. The post is about what thought is behind that decision. You are 35 more times likely to die on a motorcycle than in a car. Riding a motorcycle is all about risk management.
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    Quote Originally Posted by selyab View Post
    Riding a motorcycle is all about risk management.
    I thought riding a motorcycle in the United States was all about have having fun, freedom and enjoyment.

    The bleak stuff is-

    Now comes a study in the current issue of the Journal of Patient Safety that says the numbers may be much higher 2014 between 210,000 and 440,000 patients each year who go to the hospital for care suffer some type of preventable harm that contributes to their death, the study says.
    That would make medical errors the third-leading cause of death in America, behind heart disease, which is the first, and cancer, which is second.

    Courtesy of The Scientific American
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega Man View Post
    I thought riding a motorcycle in the United States was all about have having fun, freedom and enjoyment.


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    Maybe he should have said "Surviving on a motorcycle is all about risk management". Having taught risk management and done high risk things my entire work life, RM is the best way to survive high risk activities. Having said that, sometimes your number is just up when some idiot hits you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by selyab View Post
    I did not intend for the post to be about who gets to decide. The post is about what thought is behind that decision. You are 35 more times likely to die on a motorcycle than in a car. Riding a motorcycle is all about risk management.

    Life is all about risk management....the rider mentioned is obviously braver than I......
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    Quote Originally Posted by selyab View Post
    I was on a business trip in another state which does not require helmets and I saw a guy ride by on a K16GTL in shorts, a polo shirt, running shoes and of course no helmet.
    I know I was in Colorado a few weeks ago and it was weird to see just how many riders were in shorts, polo shirts, running shoes and no helmet. The vast majority in the Denver area. I lean towards not having helmets be mandatory. That being said, as a retired trauma RN who saw his share of motorcycle crash injuries I think you're a bit crazy for not using the obvious and easy protections afforded by decent quality riding gear. One look at a face scrubbed off due to no helmet or non full face helmet--instead of a nose and lips, just raspberry goo. And cracked skulls and blown out eyes as well. And all this being said, sure if it's worth more to you to not use a quality helmet have at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by temesvar View Post
    Open face
    is nice, you breed better, can show off your beard or even smoke while riding,
    but is it worth it?
    Of course it's worth it.



    Sorry, I couldn't resist when I saw that typo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich View Post
    Of course it's worth it.



    Sorry, I couldn't resist when I saw that typo!
    have a beer on me!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by selyab View Post
    Not that BMW riders are suppose to be superior but I thought it brought a different mindset than that.
    I agree! We ride in ARK (a lot) where there is no helmet law. It makes me ashamed to see a BMW rider without a helmet. YES, it is a personal choice, but just how dumb can a person be to do this? After all, most BMW riders support all aspects of rider training, including ATGATT. If someone wants to ride without a helmet and or without other proper gear, go for it....but never expect me to feel sorry for them when they suffer the consequences. I would like to think that "we" are superior when it comes to being smart about riding safely.I would rather be considered a snob than a dumb ass in ICU or dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortythorne View Post
    I agree! We ride in ARK (a lot) where there is no helmet law. It makes me ashamed to see a BMW rider without a helmet. YES, it is a personal choice, but just how dumb can a person be to do this? After all, most BMW riders support all aspects of rider training, including ATGATT. If someone wants to ride without a helmet and or without other proper gear, go for it....but never expect me to feel sorry for them when they suffer the consequences. I would like to think that "we" are superior when it comes to being smart about riding safely.I would rather be considered a snob than a dumb ass in ICU or dead.

    "but just how dumb can a person be to do this?"

    And yet may motorist say the same thing bout riding a motorcycle period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 71243 View Post
    "but just how dumb can a person be to do this?"

    And yet may motorist say the same thing bout riding a motorcycle period.
    And just what is your point? Do you support this irresponsible behavior for BMW riders?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega Man View Post
    Working on "all that gear"



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    Yeap! Got helmets, AND passenger sides airbag...
    All is cool! Wonder what the towel on the seat is for...

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