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    In the picture you posted of the four way split, how accurate does the compass display? Will it show for example nnw. Or is there another window on the gps that has better detail for a compass? I have a 17 but never owned a gps for a vehicle.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bmwdean View Post
    Correct. The Nav5 and Nav6 worked the same. The issue is the RTs, not the GPSs.
    Well the good news is I don't have a reason to run out for a Nav6 now. Bad news is would be nice to have the added screen options.

    Thanks for checking and clarifying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-foiler View Post
    In the picture you posted of the four way split, how accurate does the compass display? Will it show for example nnw. Or is there another window on the gps that has better detail for a compass? I have a 17 but never owned a gps for a vehicle.


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    There is a completely separate compass page, with a circular compass face, and pointer showing your direction. If you're navigating a route, you'll have a second pointer which shows the direction of your ultimate destination.

    The page you saw in that earlier photo shows only data, and you can use the scroll wheel on the handlebar to easily move from one, to two, to four, and to sixteen data elements. While sixteen is the most data elements you can display at any one time, there's a longer list of possibilities, and it's easy to change them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marcopolo View Post
    There is a completely separate compass page, with a circular compass face, and pointer showing your direction. If you're navigating a route, you'll have a second pointer which shows the direction of your ultimate destination.

    The page you saw in that earlier photo shows only data, and you can use the scroll wheel on the handlebar to easily move from one, to two, to four, and to sixteen data elements. While sixteen is the most data elements you can display at any one time, there's a longer list of possibilities, and it's easy to change them.
    The compass circle depends only on the internal GPS, whether Nav5 or Nav6, and does not require interface data coming from the bike. Therefore. the compass circle shows up on '15RTs with either Nav.

    The issue arises only when you need the motorcycle interface for data, as in "Ambient Temp." You cannot get that from a '15 RT.
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    I've mentioned this before in another thread, but with the breadth of this discussion, it should probably be repeated here.

    It is my understanding that the data differences between the GSW and the 2014-2016 RTW is due to it being carried via a LIN bus connection that was present on the GSW from the beginning but only setup on the RTW for the 2017 model year. I haven't heard or read anything to indicate if it is a wiring harness issue or an ECU issue.

    Like others, I am frustrated that my 2014 RT can't access and display this data, even though (I believe) the RT sensors are picking up all of that data and it is simply not being made available to the 2014-2016 RT GPS connector. It woud be nice to know if a software update on on of the bike's ECUs would correct that or if it is a wiring issue, etc., especially for anyone having to replace an ECU or wiring harness. Hopefully no one finds themseleves in that situation, but sooner or later someone will and the current lack of technical info makes it impossible to know if a retro-fit is possible. I've ridden both and very much like the access to the additional data, but I wouldn't spend the kind of money needed to do that unless the necessary part were being replaced for some other larger reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlanColes View Post
    I've mentioned this before in another thread, but with the breadth of this discussion, it should probably be repeated here.

    It is my understanding that the data differences between the GSW and the 2014-2016 RTW is due to it being carried via a LIN bus connection that was present on the GSW from the beginning but only setup on the RTW for the 2017 model year. I haven't heard or read anything to indicate if it is a wiring harness issue or an ECU issue.

    Like others, I am frustrated that my 2014 RT can't access and display this data, even though (I believe) the RT sensors are picking up all of that data and it is simply not being made available to the 2014-2016 RT GPS connector. It woud be nice to know if a software update on on of the bike's ECUs would correct that or if it is a wiring issue, etc., especially for anyone having to replace an ECU or wiring harness. Hopefully no one finds themseleves in that situation, but sooner or later someone will and the current lack of technical info makes it impossible to know if a retro-fit is possible. I've ridden both and very much like the access to the additional data, but I wouldn't spend the kind of money needed to do that unless the necessary part were being replaced for some other larger reason.
    I share your frustration but honestly most of the additional data is just "nice to have" and nothing I "need"! My Nav5 tells me everything i need to know and the RT tells me the rest. I just don't understand why BMW would not have fixed this in 2014 with the RTW. And yes certainly not enough to make me spend the $$ to get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmwdean View Post
    The compass circle depends only on the internal GPS, whether Nav5 or Nav6, and does not require interface data coming from the bike. Therefore. the compass circle shows up on '15RTs with either Nav.

    The issue arises only when you need the motorcycle interface for data, as in "Ambient Temp." You cannot get that from a '15 RT.
    Yup. I was fully aware of that. I think I was answering a different question about the compass, i.e., "...is there another window on the gps that has better detail for a compass?"
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    Thanks to bmwdean for confirming that at 67 I'm still a kid and have plenty of riding days left to enjoy the '17 BMW R1200RT that I'm hoping to buy....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrporter View Post
    Thanks to bmwdean for confirming that at 67 I'm still a kid and have plenty of riding days left to enjoy the '17 BMW R1200RT that I'm hoping to buy....
    You are most welcome.
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    Hi All: I agree with the above comments about age and getting back into riding. As they say in poker, "I'm in". I purchased a 2017 white RT at the end of August. I wanted to take advantage of the BMW manufacturer rebate for already owning a BMW X5 and the BMW CCA offer. Grand Rapids BMW sales staff Susan and Andrea are great to work with. They worked on the deal with me and threw a reasonable amount in on the price reduction, along with the usual discounts on accessories. Okay, it may have all happened on price because the 2018 models were at the dock and ready to ship in September rather than my negotiation skills, but I'm old and slow now so I'm taking the victory lap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmwdean View Post
    Thanks, Mark. I looked at the video and it allow only a split second for the planet blue R1200RT. I grabbed the best still I could. It is not much, but here it is. In spite of the fact that the RT is always one of BMW's top sellers, it seems to be an also-ran among BMW's promotions.

    If you want to know if you are looking at a planet blue RT, look for the tan saddle and white pinstripes.
    I understand that they hand paint the pin strips still

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsinnc View Post
    I share your frustration but honestly most of the additional data is just "nice to have" and nothing I "need"! My Nav5 tells me everything i need to know and the RT tells me the rest. I just don't understand why BMW would not have fixed this in 2014 with the RTW. And yes certainly not enough to make me spend the $$ to get it.
    We have to train ourselves to ignore the latest revisions of our fantastic '16 Plat Blond RTs! The new features, ABS Pro, My Moto access, Dynamic Brake Light, improved shifting etc are all very desirable no doubt, but ultimately add very little to the total package. If an '18 RT is '100%', then I have to give my '16 98% of that. Whereas the '13 F800GT I had previously would come in at around 75%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ncpbmw1953 View Post
    We have to train ourselves to ignore the latest revisions of our fantastic '16 Plat Blond RTs! The new features, ABS Pro, My Moto access, Dynamic Brake Light, improved shifting etc are all very desirable no doubt, but ultimately add very little to the total package. If an '18 RT is '100%', then I have to give my '16 98% of that. Whereas the '13 F800GT I had previously would come in at around 75%.
    This reminds me of a saying a good friend taught me and I have used many times ... "comparison is the thief of happiness". I have taught myself to be happy with the bike(s) I have unless there is a real compelling reason not to be. Many times we find ourselves very content with the bike (or situation) we have until we see that new model with the latest gadget or enhancement. They we are less happy. When in reality what we have is wonderful. Enjoy what you have be it a 2014 RT ... a '13 F800GT or any other bike that you enjoy!
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    Well said, Ed!
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