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Thread: Does my bike have Shift Assist Pro? 2014 R1200GS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    If it wont let you upshift while accelerating I probably would not use it.

    That would depend on how you interpret this statement. "According to the manual for the '17 RT it says "the throttle setting must be kept constant before and during the gear change sequence"".

    It says throttle setting, not speed engine speed. So therefore, open throttle, hold steady, then shift while accelerating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kioolt View Post
    It says throttle setting, not speed engine speed. So therefore, open throttle, hold steady, then shift while accelerating.
    That's true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kioolt View Post
    That would depend on how you interpret this statement. "According to the manual for the '17 RT it says "the throttle setting must be kept constant before and during the gear change sequence"".

    It says throttle setting, not speed engine speed. So therefore, open throttle, hold steady, then shift while accelerating.
    You can absolutely be accellerating while using shift assist. Mine works great.
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    While I use the clutch almost always, it isn't that hard to shift without using a clutch...on any bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daboo View Post
    While I use the clutch almost always, it isn't that hard to shift without using a clutch...on any bike.
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    I lost the clutch once on my 1967 R60/2 and rode it from Milwaukee to Madison clutchless. My only problem was starting from a stop. Being it was an R60/2, I just foot-paddled along until I got enough speed to slip into first gear. I also violated some stop signs and avoided stop lights as much as I could.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbjose View Post
    Bummer. Ah well.
    There's a happy middle ground, though I was mildly barbecued for this heresy on another thread as I was falsely accused of not appreciating the differences enough. I ordered my '16 w/o SAP on the grounds I didn't want to spend the $500 for it considering how easy clutch operation is on RTLC--considerably easier than the former F800GT I owned. From reading all of the accolades it gets, and it has a lot of fans for sure, what I read is most folks don't use it from 1st>2nd>3rd gears.

    So let's say you need to get up to warp speed in a hurry, for example you have a very short freeway onramp and would like to get to 70mph+ real quick. By the time you and the guy w/ SAP start to merge onto the freeway you're probably in both in 3rd gear and likely both got there using the clutch, all the way up 70mph with no need to upshift to 4th at that speed. You could, but you don't need to. You're barely in the power band going 70mph in 3rd gear anyway. What I've done because it's easy, I'm good at it, it's really fast and once you get the timing down is completely smooth, is just shift quickly w/o the clutch. I do this always from 4th to 5th and 5th to 6th now, and occasionally from 3rd-4th but it's a little harder to get perfect so I don't usually do clutchless there. If you haven't done this before, it's a micro-rolloff while putting subtle preload on the shifter, and shifting timed w/ the micro-rolloff. The preload isn't really needed but is if you want to do super fast upshifts.

    Downshifts you can't do smoothy like you can w/ SAP, but I enjoy matching revs to anyway and I suppose if you're trying to get thru curves at track speeds it would be a little easier to get you to the right gear for the back half of the turn. But for bread and butter decelerations, downshifting w/ the clutch and rev matching is easy to do and fun to do perfectly.

    Or if you think you have to have it you can pay to have it retrofit for $700.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    If it wont let you upshift while accelerating I probably would not use it.


    The 17 RS manual was about the same as my 16 RS manual. The changes to the 2017 R1200RS transmission were the same as changes to the 2017 RT.
    It reduces clutch wear. Apparently does rpm matching. It takes time to get used to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anglojaxon View Post
    It takes time to get used to.
    I've has shift assist since 2011 and it did not take long to get used to.
    Had shift assist pro since February 2016 and no leaning curve there, just close the throttle when down shifting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmwdean View Post
    I lost the clutch once on my 1967 R60/2 and rode it from Milwaukee to Madison clutchless. My only problem was starting from a stop. Being it was an R60/2, I just foot-paddled along until I got enough speed to slip into first gear. I also violated some stop signs and avoided stop lights as much as I could.

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