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    All other 'arguments' aside...I worked for 30 years in police/emergency vehicles and I can say from experience that the tax-payers [en-mass] do not want foreign made emergency vehicles . We tried , letters were sent to city hall, letters were sent to chiefs, & to fleet management etc.

    There are many factors that enter into good,better,best. The officer's riding style/habits...proper maintenance & repair...etc.

    Is the vehicle a take-home perk?....Extra care/less abuse noticed when the vehicle is felt to be more personal , is pay step effected when the is bike down? Sometimes it is , and that leads to less abuse...etc.

    All emergency vehicles live a hard life....hell all public fleet vehicles / motorized equipment does. And...they all have their strengths & weakness's .

    As for opinion?...Mine is that nothing looks more official than a fully uniformed motor-officer on an H/D FLHTP!

    And as with Mounted patrol,... appearance is a huge factor .
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    Quote Originally Posted by akbeemer View Post
    I think the GS would be better choice for police rides.
    It wouldn't because BMW has no Police equipment for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 71243 View Post
    All other 'arguments' aside...I worked for 30 years in police/emergency vehicles and I can say from experience that the tax-payers [en-mass] do not want foreign made emergency vehicles . We tried , letters were sent to city hall, letters were sent to chiefs, & to fleet management etc.
    Perhaps you could tell them the largest automobile assembly plant--soon to expand--in the USA is the BMW plant in South Carolina.
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    With the Wethead, BMW has addressed its biggest maintenance issue, replacing the dry clutch with a wet clutch, easily accessible.

    They've also made the bikes smaller, imho to appeal to female officers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lkchris View Post
    Perhaps you could tell them the largest automobile assembly plant--soon to expand--in the USA is the BMW plant in South Carolina.
    And, that means what outside of Greer/Greenville?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lkchris View Post
    Perhaps you could tell them the largest automobile assembly plant--soon to expand--in the USA is the BMW plant in South Carolina.

    Perhaps? Sounds like you know?...I do not but...

    Doesn't matter to those who see their tax dollars being spent in a way tat they do not approve...
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    Quote Originally Posted by lkchris View Post
    It wouldn't because BMW has no Police equipment for them.
    Actually not so....We were shown GS's & RT's that were police equipped. Now granted the GS version was only in photos , as the RT's were displayed for demonstration . Maybe they have since dropped the line ?

    Try this link.


    https://youtu.be/58yw2snsJe8
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    Quote Originally Posted by akbeemer View Post
    I think the GS would be better choice for police rides.
    +1

    Unfortunately MSP only tested bikes that are manufactured as a police bike. GS's can be outfitted with aftermarket emergency equipment (same with Kawis, Hondas, etc), RTs come that way from the factory. I wonder what the reception would be if BMW started making a R1200GS-P. It seems like it would be a hard bike to flee from.
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    Police motors

    In Arlington, TX the officers used to have their choice. This ended up with some RTs, a Valkyre and an F650. Seems that when Jerry brought the Dallas Cowboys to town things changed. Since the Cowboys are referred to as " The All American Team" you can guess what the Arlington cops are riding now!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 129654 View Post
    To be fair the Motor Co has had its share of problems as well (e.g. Cam chain tensioners, excessive engine heat). IMO HD has an edge with lower maintenance costs, better dealer network and bikes that can withstand more abuse when dropped. However ther is no contest between HD and BMW on the performance and technology side.

    There is also a pro HD culture that is hard to change amongst many motor officers based on tradition and not performance - at least there was with my department. European law enforcement agencies don't seem to struggle with this and choose their bikes and gear on safety & performance.
    Our department found the maintenance costs on the HD were actually much higher than BMW when you factored in the high mileage. No question about the performance advantage. Finally, the initial costs after you added in the emergency equipment were about the same. The end result is they went with BMW. The motor officers at the time were not happy, until their first day on the BMW. THEY would never go back.

    Interesting that no Japanese bikes were included in the testing. Several departments have gone west instead of east for their bikes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lkchris View Post
    Perhaps you could tell them the largest automobile assembly plant--soon to expand--in the USA is the BMW plant in South Carolina.
    Yeah, but they only assemble cars and SUVs!


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    Quote Originally Posted by lkchris View Post
    With the Wethead, BMW has addressed its biggest maintenance issue, replacing the dry clutch with a wet clutch, easily accessible.

    They've also made the bikes smaller, imho to appeal to female officers.
    The dimensions are still too tall for the average female inseam (US).


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    There are other factors to consider besides overall performance. No doubt the current Kawasaki is a great bike, fantastic motor, but it's electrical system wasn't designed for the additional police electronics that go with a motor. Unless you have a first rate radio shop wire up the radio, emergency lights, etc., there will be electrical problems. Honda is another great bike, They work well and are reliable. San Antonio PD has ridden Gold Wings for a long time, they know how to have them set up correctly and they work well for them.

    Not to bash HD, they're are legions out there who love their V twin. If they're happy and have fun on them; good for them and I wish them well. But we're talking working bikes here. I know and have talked to a lot of motor officers; current, retired and instructors. The current HD motors are considered for show and not go. Usually the newest member of a motor team gets stuck on the "parade bike", while senior members ride something else. A lot agencies that use HD usually have the bikes bought for political reasons or by purchasing departments who are not end users.

    Now I know there will be a backlash by HD owners, but this is my opinion. Its based on 30+ years of experience, that includes traffic enforcement, accident investigation and accident reconstruction. Not to mention dealing with the aforementioned purchasing departments and politicians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akbeemer View Post
    I think the GS would be better choice for police rides.
    The BMW authority bike webpage shows GS 700 and 800 only. Too bad.

    https://www.bmw-motorrad-authorities...EN/motorcycles

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    Quote Originally Posted by 71243 View Post
    And as with Mounted patrol,... appearance is a huge factor .
    Go to Holland and encounter a six foot five inch cycle officer on a BMW and I think appearance is adequate. They also utilize 911 Porches there for traffic patrol. You can't run and you can't hide! In Amsterdam they use rapid response mountain bikes and by rapid, I mean rapid. First time I saw a pack of four of them jumping curbs headed on a call, I was duly impressed.

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