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    Police motorcycle test results

    Apologies if this has already been posted but here are the 2017 test results

    http://www.michigan.gov/documents/ms...l_544109_7.pdf

    No surprises here as the BMW RT-P handily beat HD's 3 offerings.

    "Overall, the best performing machine in all the tests is the BMW R 1200 RT-P, readily and substantially beating all the competitors in dynamics, top-speed, and all acceleration tests, and coming in a very close third in the braking test."

    As a side note the Can-Am won the braking test as a result of the advantage of a 3rd wheel.

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    Not a surprise. What hurts BMW in getting contracts for police motors is the maintenance cost that goes with a contract. Not that the cost is out of line, it just in "some" jurisdictions a well-known American made M/C has eaten the maintenance cost so they can get the contracts...just saying...

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    Quote Originally Posted by r184 View Post
    Not a surprise. What hurts BMW in getting contracts for police motors is the maintenance cost that goes with a contract. Not that the cost is out of line, it just in "some" jurisdictions a well-known American made M/C has eaten the maintenance cost so they can get the contracts...just saying...
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    From the stats, the next time a LEO on an HD wants to pull me over, I should feel sorry for his slow ride?
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    There was a similar report a few years ago and BMW was the top bike, but Michigan bought HD bikes. Go figure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    City Councils and County Commissions have been buying inferior products of all kinds for decades.
    ...but then, there's Cambridge, Massachusetts which has had motor officers on BMWs for years:

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalterK75 View Post
    There was a similar report a few years ago and BMW was the top bike, but Michigan bought HD bikes. Go figure.
    Michigan State Police uses primarily BMWs. They may have some Harleys left but I believe they are phasing them out. They listened to their own test results.
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    I think the GS would be better choice for police rides.
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    Cool

    Speaking from experience, I'd take a Road King over an RT. We worked those H-D's often 16 hrs. straight per day (two shifts, two different officers) and in the 7 years I ran 'motors,' we had very, very few issues.

    Nationally-certified Motor Officers, as opposed to just 'cops on bikes' (sort of a 'brotherhood' within the LEO Brotherhood) stay in touch and share intel.

    The rub with BMW is that, by stone-walling the fact that they had/have FD issues, I know of more than a few agencies that simply have no faith it's been resolved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dieselyoda View Post
    From the stats, the next time a LEO on an HD wants to pull me over, I should feel sorry for his slow ride?
    Funny little relevant story...

    Back in the 70's our brother in law was a deputy on the Nevada side of Tahoe. He convinced the Sheriff to start a motor unit for traffic enforcement. The bro in law helped implement the new unit, and was offered an invitation to attend the CHP motor academy training in Sacramento.

    After graduation he began patrolling with a Kawi 900. His first traffic stop involving another motorcycle involved a guy on a 60's vintage Triumph. The guy flipped him the bird and took off. About 3 seconds later Dan flew by the dude and waved him to the side of the road.

    When asked why he tried to run, the guy replied..."Well, I thought you were on a Harley, I didn't know Kawasaki made cop bikes."
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeabeckS View Post
    Funny little relevant story...

    Back in the 70's our brother in law was a deputy on the Nevada side of Tahoe. He convinced the Sheriff to start a motor unit for traffic enforcement. The bro in law helped implement the new unit, and was offered an invitation to attend the CHP motor academy training in Sacramento.

    After graduation he began patrolling with a Kawi 900. His first traffic stop involving another motorcycle involved a guy on a 60's vintage Triumph. The guy flipped him the bird and took off. About 3 seconds later Dan flew by the dude and waved him to the side of the road.

    When asked why he tried to run, the guy replied..."Well, I thought you were on a Harley, I didn't know Kawasaki made cop bikes."
    That is a good story! Would have liked to have seen the expression on the offender's face.

    If we're talking strictly high-speed pursuit, the Beemers would be the bikes of choice, hands down. They can be wickedly fast when they need to be, as opposed to the 'workhorse' Harleys. No argument.

    But few outrun the Motorola's!
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    Quote Originally Posted by akbeemer View Post
    I think the GS would be better choice for police rides.
    Astute observation.

    If we're solely endorsing BMW's, I'd agree.

    Given the ergonomics of constant mounting and dismounting, sitting higher in traffic, as well as the storage capacity of some big boxes, it would be quite superior to the RT.

    And the additional ground clearance is advantageous - think 'curb lines.'

    Foul-weather protection is somewhat less, but then again, in truly foul weather, motors rarely venture out.
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    Wichita's current police chief is looking to bring Motorcycle Policing back after about a 15 year hiatus. I would love it if they went with BMW bikes as it would bring awareness of the brand back into the local market. However, lack of local dealer support for BMW means they are more likely to go with some other brand, likely Kawasaki (what they had back in the day) or Harley.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greenwald View Post
    Speaking from experience, I'd take a Road King over an RT. We worked those H-D's often 16 hrs. straight per day (two shifts, two different officers) and in the 7 years I ran 'motors,' we had very, very few issues.

    Nationally-certified Motor Officers, as opposed to just 'cops on bikes' (sort of a 'brotherhood' within the LEO Brotherhood) stay in touch and share intel.

    The rub with BMW is that, by stone-walling the fact that they had/have FD issues, I know of more than a few agencies that simply have no faith it's been resolved.
    To be fair the Motor Co has had its share of problems as well (e.g. Cam chain tensioners, excessive engine heat). IMO HD has an edge with lower maintenance costs, better dealer network and bikes that can withstand more abuse when dropped. However ther is no contest between HD and BMW on the performance and technology side.

    There is also a pro HD culture that is hard to change amongst many motor officers based on tradition and not performance - at least there was with my department. European law enforcement agencies don't seem to struggle with this and choose their bikes and gear on safety & performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 129654 View Post
    To be fair the Motor Co has had its share of problems as well (e.g. Cam chain tensioners, excessive engine heat). IMO HD has an edge with lower maintenance costs, better dealer network and bikes that can withstand more abuse when dropped. However ther is no contest between HD and BMW on the performance and technology side.

    There is also a pro HD culture that is hard to change amongst many motor officers based on tradition and not performance - at least there was with my department. European law enforcement agencies don't seem to struggle with this and choose their bikes and gear on safety & performance.
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