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    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    Just wait for driverless semi trucks. Maybe double bottom or triple bottom ones to boot. While we might see the hazards with this, just think how big the campaign contributions from the trucking companies can be once they eliminate the costs of having drivers.

    I'm too old to worry. But if I was a young rascal I would want to have as much fun on my motorcycle as I could as quickly as possible before we are banned from the roadways. We don't make very big contributions and the AMA can't possibly make enough noise.
    Automated railroads are what I would like to see. Separating commercial and non-commercial traffic would significantly reduce highway congestion
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    I believe this to be very likely. Driver-less trucks are just on the horizon, as Paul pointed out there is to much financial incentive not to take advantage of the cost savings. Most east/west coast rail corridors are being hastily prepared for double stack load transportation so transportation options will be very competitive, driving down costs to the consumer and business. I believe the large east coast cities will be first to promote driver-less cars with in certain city zones, then the heavy traffic corridors (ie beltways), on both the east and west coasts will be next. It is just a matter of time before we (motorcyclists) are deemed a hazard to the smooth computer controlled traffic flow's and seen as a threat to the driver-less industries due to law suits and bad publicity because of their malfunctioning equipment, and no longer allowed within these areas, of course for our own "safety". In a society that values "safety" over freedom, it's a battle that will not be won, it's just a matter of time, two generations at the most near as I can see, given the advance's in technology and decline in the personal sense of adventure. In my early 50's too am to old to care much, I'll be able to live my life doing pretty much as I wish, my grand children will see large changes, not that it will impact their lifestyle as the way they've been raised, these things will improve their outlook and simplify their lives. They have no interest in loud, fast, (perceived as dangerous) things or camping in the dirty outdoors. By the time they have children my adventures and life style will look like a caveman.

    As for an electric motorcycle, I'm on-board as soon as they make one that I can do 1,000 miles per day without stopping for a re-charge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jandhumphreyme View Post

    As for an electric motorcycle, I'm on-board as soon as they make one that I can do 1,000 miles per day without stopping for a re-charge.
    Will every motel parking space have a charging station? Until that happens I don't see electric vehicles catching on.

    I visited a new casino in New York - the del Lago. There were charging stations in the parking lot...but were for Tesla cars only: dumb. I just don't foresee electric vehicles becoming practical any time soon, and I mean decades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jandhumphreyme View Post
    I believe this to be very likely. Driver-less trucks are just on the horizon, as Paul pointed out there is to much financial incentive not to take advantage of the cost savings. Most east/west coast rail corridors are being hastily prepared for double stack load transportation so transportation options will be very competitive, driving down costs to the consumer and business. I believe the large east coast cities will be first to promote driver-less cars with in certain city zones, then the heavy traffic corridors (ie beltways), on both the east and west coasts will be next. It is just a matter of time before we (motorcyclists) are deemed a hazard to the smooth computer controlled traffic flow's and seen as a threat to the driver-less industries due to law suits and bad publicity because of their malfunctioning equipment, and no longer allowed within these areas, of course for our own "safety". In a society that values "safety" over freedom, it's a battle that will not be won, it's just a matter of time, two generations at the most near as I can see, given the advance's in technology and decline in the personal sense of adventure. In my early 50's too am to old to care much, I'll be able to live my life doing pretty much as I wish, my grand children will see large changes, not that it will impact their lifestyle as the way they've been raised, these things will improve their outlook and simplify their lives. They have no interest in loud, fast, (perceived as dangerous) things or camping in the dirty outdoors. By the time they have children my adventures and life style will look like a caveman.

    As for an electric motorcycle, I'm on-board as soon as they make one that I can do 1,000 miles per day without stopping for a re-charge.
    Considering the lack of support for funding, any transport changes will be bigger vehicles on the same public funded roads with lower operator manpower costs (either technology or lower wages). IMHO, safety is a minor consideration in all of this. It's purely economics.
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    I agree with the underlying facts the futurist OP uses but am not at all certain about how it plays out. At the same time I don’t buy into the doom and gloom for the motorcycling future. My entire life has been spent dinging around with ICE motorcycles and cars. My skill set falls apart when it comes to things electrical. I have taken test rides on Zero motorcycles and H-D’s electric prototype. The former was too small for my comfort. The H-D had the size and heft of a “real motorcycle” but with a rumored range of 30 miles is a total non starter. All sorts of xenophobic arguments can be made that stunt or kill development this range of vehicles in the US. We may find ourselves following instead of leading. Yet, I am kind of excited about what the future will hold once battery life and charging station infrastructure matures.

    In the short run we may be missing the biggest potential benefit for motorcyclists in this discussion - AI cars that see motorcycles. BMW has been touting their drive for rider safety for much of this decade. More to the point here, BMW and other manufacturers have been working on Car - X communications. Fill in the blank for X and it could be Car - Car, Car - to various road assists, and more importantly for us Car - Motorcycle. This aspect of the digital future may allow for intentional and unintentional driverless cars but the car will be aware of us and react.

    Vanilla may be a color option for the motorcycle of the future but it will not be coloring a monolithic generic ride model line. Starting with BMW’s concept eScooter followed leading to the C-evloution they and other manufactures have been working on e-scooters targeted at urban commuting and short range travel. BMW’s latest concept iteration of this thought will be show at Concorso d’Eleganza Villa d’Este 2017. This is where I see rider growth when battery charge life and recharging times improve. This is also the type of rider and riding where self balancing and all the other things we are decrying make sense.

    If scooters fall on the bland vanilla side “heavyweight” e-motorcycles could be entirely different. The +500cc range of motorcycles has always been the sports cars of the motorcycling world. This isn’t likely to change. BMW teased the eRR as a glimpse of where e-performance bikes might go. Zero and other manufacturers have been working on dual and off road variants of their street focused e-motorcycles. I may not have the garage skills to do much with these kinds of motorcycles but I don’t think riding them will be anywhere near as boring as the doom and gloom pry the throttle from my cold dead hand crowd suggest. Different yes. Boring? I don’t think so.

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    I am sure there will be a time when the unemployed truckers and railroad engineers learn how to cause the diver-less vehicles to crash in pretty spectacular ways. Then laws will be that the vehicle is never at fault. We get banned from roads. When there are few jobs what is the value of a human?

    Where will the consumers come from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragtoplvr View Post
    I am sure there will be a time when the unemployed truckers and railroad engineers learn how to cause the diver-less vehicles to crash in pretty spectacular ways. Then laws will be that the vehicle is never at fault. We get banned from roads. When there are few jobs what is the value of a human?

    Where will the consumers come from.

    Rod
    Ever fly on a commuter airline? You think those folks are happy?

    Truckers aren't in a good spot. Wages have been dropping since 2000 and the flogging isn't going to stop. Uber is starting a trucking dispatch service. The only thing that will save the truckers is safety regulations that limit hours on the road. But, the next trucker in-line will gladly take the work the first guy refused......So next in-line establishes the new minimum standard.

    Just like the coal miners showing up at clinics with aggressive Black Lung........they don't wear the respirators because it slows them down and the fastest guy gets the most $. http://ohiovalleyresource.org/2016/1...orm-increases/

    Besides, what you are suggesting is a crime.
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    http://ozarks-history.blogspot.com/2...explosion.html

    My neighbor was at work and claimed to have heard this explosion despite being miles away.

    For many years you could see where the pavement was patched.

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