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    114 yrs ago.

    By chance, I stopped in Paxton, Nebraska today for respite from the Interstate. Had coffee in a refurbished old Depot that was the same Depot that in 1903 a George Wyman stopped to seek shelter from the rain.

    George was riding Cross Country (San Francisco to New York) in 1903 on a 90cc 1.25 hp "California" motorcycle.

    That was 114 yrs ago.


    How bout them apples !
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    You were in very good company!

    Thanks for sharing!

    You can read lots more about George here:

    http://wymanmemorialproject.blogspot...gust-1903.html

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    That's pretty neat! Thanks for sharing!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 72r60/7 View Post
    By chance, I stopped in Paxton, Nebraska today for respite from the Interstate. Had coffee in a refurbished old Depot that was the same Depot that in 1903 a George Wyman stopped to seek shelter from the rain.

    George was riding Cross Country (San Francisco to New York) in 1903 on a 90cc 1.25 hp "California" motorcycle.

    That was 114 yrs ago.


    How bout them apples !
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    90cc?? Seems a bit small for the year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 72r60/7 View Post
    By chance, I stopped in Paxton, Nebraska today for respite from the Interstate. Had coffee in a refurbished old Depot that was the same Depot that in 1903 a George Wyman stopped to seek shelter from the rain.

    George was riding Cross Country (San Francisco to New York) in 1903 on a 90cc 1.25 hp "California" motorcycle.

    That was 114 yrs ago.


    How bout them apples !
    Charlie

    Thanks for sharing...

    Two states that are often mentioned in a somewhat negative way are Nebraska & Iowa.

    I happen to like both. Have crossed both several times. Not sure if Iowa is considered part of the plain?.....But for me riding in the plain states offers it's own beauty & an enjoyable ride.

    I have met some incredibly nice people out that way!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 36654 View Post
    90cc?? Seems a bit small for the year.
    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...Ii7AeWcUrATzmw

    I hope the link is valid. 50 CC Coast to Coast Iron Butt ride. Modern day, but certainly even smaller engine than the 90. I think it's a myth that you need to have a big powerful 1200 CC something to tour on.

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    There may be an example of a "California" motorcycle in the Curtiss Wright Museum in Hammondsport, NY.
    If there is, I'm not sure if it was the same model as George Wyman rode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by weschmann View Post
    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...Ii7AeWcUrATzmw

    I hope the link is valid. 50 CC Coast to Coast Iron Butt ride. Modern day, but certainly even smaller engine than the 90. I think it's a myth that you need to have a big powerful 1200 CC something to tour on.
    My point was 90cc seems too small for a 1.5-hp, 1903 vintage motor. Remember, that would have been a low rpm design, you needed displacement to get hp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 36654 View Post
    My point was 90cc seems too small for a 1.5-hp, 1903 vintage motor. Remember, that would have been a low rpm design, you needed displacement to get hp.
    OK, I see what your getting at. Something to investigate further?

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    Quote Originally Posted by weschmann View Post
    OK, I see what your getting at. Something to investigate further?
    As to your point, can you believe that a "big" BMW used to have nearly 50-hp???
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    Framed info in Depot/Coffee stop In Paxton, Nebraska

    Going to National Motorcycle Museum today in Anamosa, Iowa and will look for a "California" bike.

    Charlie

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    Quote Originally Posted by 72r60/7 View Post
    IMG_5127.JPG
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    Framed info in Depot/Coffee stop In Paxton, Nebraska

    Going to National Motorcycle Museum today in Anamosa, Iowa and will look for a "California" bike.

    Charlie
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    Quote Originally Posted by 36654 View Post
    My point was 90cc seems too small for a 1.5-hp, 1903 vintage motor. Remember, that would have been a low rpm design, you needed displacement to get hp.
    You are correct, it is about 200 CC 12 CI 1.5 HP

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragtoplvr View Post
    You are correct, it is about 200 CC 12 CI 1.5 HP
    That's still pretty good output for the size and time, about 0.125 hp/cu. in. 15-yrs later, the WW-I Rhone airplane engine produced ~0.12-hp / cu.in.
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