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Thread: Bmw lack of quality on front crash parts 1200rt etc

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    Regardless of the cheap painted BMW crash panels I will have to say working on the bike for the first time the design concept is for doing your own work is not bad.

    Please remember everyone DO NOT OVER tighten your body panel bolts, if you do you will break the tabs.

    I did a few things to protect my panels from rubbing and easy tear down in the future.

    Other than the panels with crappy cheap brackets on the back of painted panels I did not run into any issues doing my own work on the bike.

    AND BE AWARE EVERYONE, when you pull off the side panels where the BMW logo is located be very very careful with this panel.
    After you pull the front 2 bolts out under headlight you have two push in tabs that go into rubber grommets, one lower toward the rear where your knee sits while on bike and one just below the radio control black panel.
    THERE IS 2 TABS THAT SLIDE INTO THIS BLACK PANEL that if you pull to hard on the panel where the push in tab on rubber grommet is you can very easy break those two tabs that require the panel to be pushed rearward and up AFTER YOU VERY CAREFULLY PULL OUT THE TWO UPPER AND LOWER PUSH IN TABS, DO NOT PULL OUT MORE THAN 1/2 INCH ON PANEL OUTWARD TILL YOU SLIDE THE PANEL REARWARD, BOTH PANELS LEFT AND RIGHT ARE THE SAME WAY.

    THIS PANEL IS THEE MOST STUPID THING BMW DID.
    I almost broke my tabs if i had not knew from experience how to see under panels before I remove them.

    I hope this helps everyone not break tabs on a $300 panels.

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    Smile Thank you

    Thanks for sharing the photos.

    There is something amazingly technical about these bikes once you remove their skin.
    A bit like a transformer robot.

    And just on a personal note - I appreciate the time and effort you have gone to in an attempt to share your experience and your desire to help others avoid similar pain.
    This has been an informative and lively thread - as are most on this forum. Never be put off by others when your intentions are pure.
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    I can say on the two side panels that have to come off with the tabs on are a poor design and lend themselves to breaking.

    If you look at those tabs they have a indent on one side. I filled that indentation with plastic glue. I also ran a small bead on each side of the tabs where they meet the panel.

    Many dealer techs have broken these panels so it is not uncommon and known to be a poor design. If I ever break one or both I will use velcro rather then pay for that panel. This has been mentioned and used so it does work. Now we can debate all day about design and how poor it is but it is what it is, Yes on a 22,000 bike we expect more and we get it in a lot of other aspects of the bike.

    I am not arguing with your assessment of design implementation but the design itself is very cool. Maybe mold some thin metal stays in those tab areas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark H View Post
    Thanks for sharing the photos.

    There is something amazingly technical about these bikes once you remove their skin.
    A bit like a transformer robot.

    And just on a personal note - I appreciate the time and effort you have gone to in an attempt to share your experience and your desire to help others avoid similar pain.
    This has been an informative and lively thread - as are most on this forum. Never be put off by others when your intentions are pure.
    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by LFarling View Post
    I can say on the two side panels that have to come off with the tabs on are a poor design and lend themselves to breaking.

    If you look at those tabs they have a indent on one side. I filled that indentation with plastic glue. I also ran a small bead on each side of the tabs where they meet the panel.

    Many dealer techs have broken these panels so it is not uncommon and known to be a poor design. If I ever break one or both I will use velcro rather then pay for that panel. This has been mentioned and used so it does work. Now we can debate all day about design and how poor it is but it is what it is, Yes on a 22,000 bike we expect more and we get it in a lot of other aspects of the bike.

    I am not arguing with your assessment of design implementation but the design itself is very cool. Maybe mold some thin metal stays in those tab areas.
    Well I finally got in to get my 700 mile service, and had a great chance to talk to the tech about these panels.
    He did tell me that the velcro is a service bulletin update. WHAT, VELCRO UPDATE..........
    AND when he told me 90% of the bikes with the side panels that have the BMW logo that the bikes they service the tabs are broken he went on to say thats why BMW did the service bulletin to put the heavy duty velcro on the panel inside just below the side mirror to compensate for FAULTY DESIGN.

    SOOOOOOOO IT looks like maybe I was right.

    I feel BMW needs to bite the bullet and fork out the money to replace these panels to the customers. VELCRO what a joke, 20K bike and they resort to VELCRO.

    Now I know why my panels have this velcro that I noticed when I replace my headlight and broken parts.

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    I heard about the vulnerable panel tabs prior to ordering a '16 RT. I bought some radiator guards and asked one of our two BMW certified mechanics to install them at the 600m service and asked if I could be there to watch him R&R said panels w/ vulnerable tabs so I could learn how not to damage them. After he removed the panels I picked up the left side one and had a good look to see how the panels should be reinstalled--and it was quite obvious how to do this w/o harming the tabs which actually are IMO fairly robust:

    1. Hang the panel into the tab slots taking care not to hinge the panel more than 20 degrees upwards from hanging dead down verticle.
    2. Keeping the tabs firmly in place in their respective slots simply push the panel's inner pin into its matching grommet.
    3. Insert the two screws to secure the panel in place.

    That's all there is to it, with or w/o velcro.

    It was when the mechanic FIRST installed the lower half of the panel pushing pin into grommet THEN proceeded to take a clenched fist and HAMMER the top edge in that I cringed in utter horror--it was plain to see this was the exact method one would employ if they intended to snap the tabs off at their base! They had to order a replacement color-matched panel. Unfortunate boo-boo, could have been designed to eliminate the need to understand how to R&R them. 26K miles later they're both fine, i.e. they haven't self destructed.

    BMW does a whole bunch of stuff right, but they have a few goof ball design issues for sure.

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    I tend to lean towards the side of "motorcycles aren't meant to crash" and I believe that BMW does make an major investment in innovation. We've come a long ways from the airheads of the 70s. I also believe that BMW keeps the cost within reason. Go shop for a Harley Ultra CVO and pay more than $41K and it makes you appreciate the loaded RT for $23,500. Just my opinion.
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    Panel Prices

    Saw $300 mentioned. At A&S BMW website the panels being discussed sell for $815 EACH! Be gentle. The Clearwater Lights mirror mount bracket instructions warned me in advance. I did not break a tab but certainly see how easily one could produce a holy crap moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daboo View Post
    If you think the thread is ridiculous, let the thread die a slow death of neglect. But don't attack the OP.
    No, attack me, instead.

    I see a flaw in your logic.

    Motorcycles are not made to be crashed. I don't see a chrome bumper on the front, like an old Desoto car.
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    I am in support of the OP's outrage except for concern over the design or robustness of trim panels. I think they're fine including the front panel w/ the tabs you have to understand how to not break. All they are doing is adding to styling and wind management and as such they don't need to be much more robust.

    The real glaring issue here when you get right down to it seems clear to me: these panels cost next to nothing to stamp out. All the trim pieces are now in their 4th year of production so how many front panel pieces are produced to cover new models--lots! So the real problem is indeed WHAT THEY CHARGE FOR THEM.

    When the BMW mech destroyed my left front panel by his failure to not install the piece as it was designed to be installed cost the shop whatever they charge them for this over $600 retail thin piece of plastic! To charge retail over $600 for this is preposterous for a replacement cost! They might charge $75 for an unpainted copy, and $150 for a painted copy, and they'd still come out ahead I'm sure. Or whatever $100/$200. They know about how many they need to keep ahead on to cover demand so I see no real logistical burden for something like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ballen262 View Post
    I hope this helps everyone not break tabs on a $300 panels.
    What?! They were over $600 last year for the left front on mine! If that's true that's a giant improvement! You were in good company: the BMW certified mechanic who reinstalled my left front did not understand how they are to be removed and replaced and summarily put the BOTTOM of the panel in its grommet first then proceeded to, with the back of his clenched fist, smash the top edge as if it had no tabs but was a 'snap-in' design. Both tabs had their necks broken and they had to buy me a new color matched panel.

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