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    Quote Originally Posted by beemerdood View Post
    I saw the incident report and the request for repair. It was not a case of "soft ground." A loud noise immediately preceded the tip–over and the fall. Something in the side stand mechanism broke.

    Is there some reason that you're so intent on disputing what actually happened? Several manuals warn against putting extra weight, on the side stand. Standing on the peg to mount, does this, and does it at quite some distance from the side stand pivot point, giving that weight considerable leverage against the side stand and its parts. More than likely the rider was also using the right handgrip to balance himself as he swung his right leg over the seat, adding to the leverage and weight applied against the side stand and its parts.
    I apologize - didn't mean to insinuate anything. I read your original posting and if it mentioned an incident report and request for repair I missed it, but it did mention some lack of remembrance of details. Thus my posting regarding soft ground...

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    Wow - lots of differing opinions! It just seems odd to me that the R1200RT is rated to carry almost 500 lbs but the sidestand evidently isn't. Plus I really want to find a way to make one work for me without carrying a footstool along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffshoaf View Post
    Wow - lots of differing opinions! It just seems odd to me that the R1200RT is rated to carry almost 500 lbs but the sidestand evidently isn't. Plus I really want to find a way to make one work for me without carrying a footstool along.
    I think that you're conflating two things. One is the "Maximum payload" that BMW assigns to the 2016 RT (just using that bike because I have the manual handy) of 221 Kg (487 Lb) with the forces that can be applied when someone is mounting the bike. Apply JUST that person's weight to this situation is not realistic when you take into account that more than likely he's holding onto the handle bars and using them to assist his mounting. The right grip (if mounting from the left side of the bike) will be used to leverage the weight of the rider over the seat and probably will apply more than that weight at a large distance from the kickstand. This applies a large lever arm to the kickstand attachment point to the frame. I'm no engineer, but it seems to me that point loads, for an instant, could easily exceed the max load that BMW envisioned when designing the mechanism.

    I have issues with mounting, especially when carrying a bag on the passenger seat, such as I do when camping or on long trips and carrying lots of camera gear. There's no way that I can stand on the ground and raise my leg high enough to clear the bag. I stand back from the bike, and with an assist from my hand, grabbing my right pants leg and lifting, I throw my right leg up so the boot lands on the far side of the seat. Then, with my right leg extended, I hop towards the bike, until my butt hits the seat. Dismounting is done by putting my left foot on the ground, facing the bike and hopping backwards until my right boot is near the seat, then with another assist by lifting the leg with a handful of pant leg, and hopping backwards another few steps until the boot is clear of the seat.

    Sometimes, when I’m tired at the end of the day on a long ride, when I don't have the bag on the passenger seat, I'll mount by placing my right knee on the seat, grabbing the boot and lifting it over the seat.

    Come to think of it, your "footstool" doesn't sound like such a bad idea!
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    71 and sneaking up on 72. My legs do not quite bend like they did at 52 or 62. I lift right leg with hand to mount and slide over seat. BUTTTT getting off I put the kick stand down, bike in first gear, right hand on brake, and stand straight up and swing right leg over right bag and seat. If I have a small tailbag I can still pull it off. If not, I have to make everyone laugh while I slide off the seat and stumble to maintain balance. I have had 6 Beemers and never broke a side stand or center stand.

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    Interesting takes on the sidestand, I've watched some pretty heavy weights use the left peg as a step on various bikes and never saw a failure. On thing I've learned over the years is many motor officers board there bikes from the right, I understand the reasoning behind this, less exposure to traffic, most use the right peg as a step. Those worried about sidestand failure might consider this technique, seems strange at first but after a few tries it gets normal

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    https://www.instagram.com/p/BSZB6vsF0jr/ not too fragile for these beemers

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    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    I think they are wrong. If right - the bike is way to fragile for me to buy. But you do need to name the dealership so I can avoid going there. This crap from some staff at some dealers demeans the brand.

    Filling in a bit more in your profile might be useful to both of us, too.
    I think the real answer is "maybe". In general side stands and center stands hold up extremely well. I have seen failures of both on many brands, except maybe H-D if I'm not mistaken, but it is possible for a failure and/or a failure of a related component to occur. With what I've seen after being in the business for 35 years I wouldn't really worry about it. Maybe just inspect it once a month or something to that effect although it can be hard to see all the related components. I wouldn't lose sleep over it if this is the only way you can really get on the bike.

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    Thumbs up

    just to close the loop on this thread...

    I went to the next closest dealer last Thursday; they're about 100 miles away. I talked to the sales guy for awhile and asked about the using the foot peg to mount. He said that he uses the foot peg to mount his gs! Went for a test ride on a demo RT using the "shop" low seat and was able to mount and dismount without scraping the pannier or using the peg.

    So... My new 2017 RT should be home some time Tuesday. I'll avoid using the peg to mount unless I'm really tired or my back is bothering me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExGMan View Post
    Jeff - Page 97 of the 2015 RT rider's manual says: "The side stand is designed to support only the weight of the motorcycle. Do not lean or sit on the motorcycle with the side stand extended."
    They've got themselves covered, then. You break it, you buy it.

    It would appear there's a market for aftermarket iron sidestands for these bikes, as there was for Airheads. To be mounted somewhere besides the tab for the OE sidestand. Some may recall that in the Airhead days you even weren't supposed to demount the bike from the centerstand while sitting on it ... stand beside it. One of the things that makes BMWs a little expensive is use of exotic materials to keep their weight down. It's the cheap motorcycles that end up heavy.

    That aftermarket solution sounds unlikely, best to modify technique. This thread a learning experience for some that are doing it wrong. Criticism of the salesperson was unwarranted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffshoaf View Post
    just to close the loop on this thread...

    I went to the next closest dealer last Thursday; they're about 100 miles away. I talked to the sales guy for awhile and asked about the using the foot peg to mount. He said that he uses the foot peg to mount his gs! Went for a test ride on a demo RT using the "shop" low seat and was able to mount and dismount without scraping the pannier or using the peg.

    So... My new 2017 RT should be home some time Tuesday. I'll avoid using the peg to mount unless I'm really tired or my back is bothering me.

    I happily and wholeheartedly recommend Greg and Doug at Motorcycles of Charlotte!
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    So does anyone make a shorter or even a aftermarket side stand for the RT LC? I really would like mine 3/8-1/2" shorter as I feel the bike sits too strait on the side stand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LFarling View Post
    So does anyone make a shorter or even a aftermarket side stand for the RT LC? I really would like mine 3/8-1/2" shorter as I feel the bike sits too strait on the side stand.
    The RS has the same problem. The bike sits so straight you can't park on a road shoulder.
    Both of us leave the suspension on 2 up which raises the back end and allows the bike to lean a little when on the sidestand.
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