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    I'd be careful bragging on Canadian beer. 25 years ago what you said was mostly true- little stuff other than light pilseners and lagers not very distinguishable here- though TX where Paul is had some. Always enjoyed the brews up north.
    BUT US craft brewers have since 1976 law changes exploded and invented more new beer styles than the rest of the planet added together since 1900. Even Belgian brewers are coming to the US to catch up on what's happening here.
    Do sample the local craft stuff as you drive through. US craft beers span the range from a "lawnmower kolsch" at 4.5% ABV to 21% ABV which is way more than I want in my beer. I have a number of places near me with 25-100 beers on tap these days that cover a huge style range. All of the world's beer styles are locatable in the US these days as either local, imported, or both.
    The big national brands are of course unchanged except some have made mostly bad efforts to get in the craft beer game typically trying to hide their true identity when doing so. The big boys all brew by ingredient and process cost so can't compete with the folks who brew to taste. When they acquire a brand so they can increase their sales the big boys always dumb down the recipe and ruin the original product but these days it doesn't matter because there are so many replacements always coming on line.
    The latest oddity I tasted from a US brewer (but in Isla Mujeres Mexico where they are located) was a sour brewed with the Caribbean hibiscus flower normally used for hibiscus tea or "jamaica". Don't expect that one to catch on.

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    Making that circle the way I think you might do it to those cities will take you well away from the countries best riding and slogging some of the least scenic bits.
    Why all those dull and boring cities? Jacksonville? Dallas? Don't forget your sidearm for parts of NO but it is entertaining if you've never seen it.
    ????

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    Quote Originally Posted by racer7 View Post
    I'd be careful bragging on Canadian beer. 25 years ago what you said was mostly true- little stuff other than light pilseners and lagers not very distinguishable here- though TX where Paul is had some. Always enjoyed the brews up north.
    BUT US craft brewers have since 1976 law changes exploded and invented more new beer styles than the rest of the planet added together since 1900. Even Belgian brewers are coming to the US to catch up on what's happening here.
    Do sample the local craft stuff as you drive through. US craft beers span the range from a "lawnmower kolsch" at 4.5% ABV to 21% ABV which is way more than I want in my beer. I have a number of places near me with 25-100 beers on tap these days that cover a huge style range. All of the world's beer styles are locatable in the US these days as either local, imported, or both.
    The big national brands are of course unchanged except some have made mostly bad efforts to get in the craft beer game typically trying to hide their true identity when doing so. The big boys all brew by ingredient and process cost so can't compete with the folks who brew to taste. When they acquire a brand so they can increase their sales the big boys always dumb down the recipe and ruin the original product but these days it doesn't matter because there are so many replacements always coming on line.
    The latest oddity I tasted from a US brewer (but in Isla Mujeres Mexico where they are located) was a sour brewed with the Caribbean hibiscus flower normally used for hibiscus tea or "jamaica". Don't expect that one to catch on.
    I love it! We have come to beer talk! Sorry if i hurt your feelings, it was not intended. I respect your thoughts about the subject, but i don't think
    a good beer can be invented today!! Has been done hundreds of years before. Some just refused to accept it! Just like art, is not nice what is considered nice, is nice what you like! IMHO, same goes with beer!
    Is good to know that, at the end of a daylong ride, will be able to sip a good cold beer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by racer7 View Post
    Making that circle the way I think you might do it to those cities will take you well away from the countries best riding and slogging some of the least scenic bits.
    Why all those dull and boring cities? Jacksonville? Dallas? Don't forget your sidearm for parts of NO but it is entertaining if you've never seen it.
    ????
    Them cities were just as a reference point. How else was i going to describe the considered route?
    The only city i would like to go into is San Francisco. And ride along the coast up to Seattle.
    New York is my friend's wish, and will stop at a motel on the outskirts, and take whatever there is
    train or subway to see the city for the short time we will be there. Would appreciate any suggestions as
    where we should stop before getting to close to the city, yet not to far from public transportation.
    We only have 4 weeks, and the idea is to tour USA. It is a once in a life time experience for my friend from
    Germany. This one time i still have an extra bike, and we are still able to ride long distances. At this stage in life,
    you don't know what next year brings!!
    Jacksonville is not a target! Just a reference point when to turn and head west. Any suggestions are appreciated!
    Am afraid is going to be a long and boring journey, going east coast to west coast. I hope i am wrong. Same goes
    back up north, going east back home.
    Bikes are in good shape. My other bike is a Triumph Sprint. Hopefully will have no major problems.
    Will keep you posted as how the trip is going!
    Thanks.

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    I have no idea how to plan a 4 week riding tour of the US. Sure its only 300 mile days or so by shortest routes. BUT 300 miles is still a bunch if you actually want to spend any time any where- or if the roads are something fun to ride and not superslab.
    Much of eastern US is not that different in appearance from ON or Germany. And the northeast is densely populated. If NYC is a "must do", I'd stop on the Hudson up by the Tappan Zee bridge someplace and take the train into and out of NYC. And allot maybe 2 days if you want to do a boat tour and explore a bit. But I was born near NYC and hate the whole area so you wouldn't get me there if you paid me.
    To see things different then both of you are used to I'd be planning most or all time out west. Just trying to do a few of the most scenic/famous national parks plus riding the west coast roads from southern CA to the Olympic peninsula is plenty for 4 weeks.
    Trying to pack too much in will reduce the time you two will have to enjoy each other's company and possibly result in two very exhausted riders trying to chase a too tight "schedule". I'd be trying to keep the mileage at around 250 or less per day to allow time to enjoy decent meals and relaxing evenings plus some exploration time of sights along the way. And though that doesn't sound like much, throw in a few days of rain riding and it gets longer. 30X250= 7500 miles total. Which is not enough for a "full circle"

    And 7500 might mean tire changes and other maintenance depending on if you start with new tires and freshly serviced machines.

    Don't forget you could be riding in conditions from desert dry heat where keeping core temps in control is mandatory to near freezing if you head for mountain altitudes.
    And riding at night can be risky in areas with a lot of wildlife unless you have seriously upgraded lighting. I like first light starts and late afternoon stops.

    So what would you put on 7500 miles? Or do you want to ride to exhaustion and do 12K or more which is what a fun road full circle would probably take.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by racer7 View Post
    I have no idea how to plan a 4 week riding tour of the US. Sure its only 300 mile days or so by shortest routes. BUT 300 miles is still a bunch if you actually want to spend any time any where- or if the roads are something fun to ride and not superslab.
    Much of eastern US is not that different in appearance from ON or Germany. And the northeast is densely populated. If NYC is a "must do", I'd stop on the Hudson up by the Tappan Zee bridge someplace and take the train into and out of NYC. And allot maybe 2 days if you want to do a boat tour and explore a bit. But I was born near NYC and hate the whole area so you wouldn't get me there if you paid me.
    To see things different then both of you are used to I'd be planning most or all time out west. Just trying to do a few of the most scenic/famous national parks plus riding the west coast roads from southern CA to the Olympic peninsula is plenty for 4 weeks.
    Trying to pack too much in will reduce the time you two will have to enjoy each other's company and possibly result in two very exhausted riders trying to chase a too tight "schedule". I'd be trying to keep the mileage at around 250 or less per day to allow time to enjoy decent meals and relaxing evenings plus some exploration time of sights along the way. And though that doesn't sound like much, throw in a few days of rain riding and it gets longer. 30X250= 7500 miles total. Which is not enough for a "full circle"

    And 7500 might mean tire changes and other maintenance depending on if you start with new tires and freshly serviced machines.

    Don't forget you could be riding in conditions from desert dry heat where keeping core temps in control is mandatory to near freezing if you head for mountain altitudes.
    And riding at night can be risky in areas with a lot of wildlife unless you have seriously upgraded lighting. I like first light starts and late afternoon stops.

    So what would you put on 7500 miles? Or do you want to ride to exhaustion and do 12K or more which is what a fun road full circle would probably take.?
    Hi racer7!
    I appreciate your response, and consider your thoughts! I am a novice at planing, but am trying to do the best i can.
    Any suggestions, and i mean ANY are appreciated and will consider. The area we intend to ride thru are unknown to
    both of us, so any help is highly welcome! I will respond to every points you have raised: NYC! You hate it, I gladly
    would avoid it but to a european is a must see! As it would be to you, visiting France and avoid Paris, Champs Elysees ,
    Louvre and Eiffel Tower! Or am I wrong? Will consider and look into where to stop, far yet close enough so we can use
    public transportation, yet far from the place the Scorpions call "the Zoo" Tappan Zee bridge is a start! So, NYC would be
    the far east point of our tour. Short stay, 2 days at the most. How far south from there we will go, is just a guess for now.
    Hard to put a number at miles, but i considered 10 K should be close to the target. We only have 4 weeks at our disposal:
    We both work for a living. I considered to go on June, as early June is not the worst heat wave down south, yet late June
    is not still to cold up north. The bike's will be ready for the trip. Two new sets of tires are here already, will be installed just
    before we leave. (PR4 GT's) Oil changed, will do one mid way. As we all know, surprises can occur, rain and fatigue will for
    sure change the plans, although we have not much planed. Will do as much as we can, at a comfortable pace. At any time
    we can change the route, or just turn around. But the more we do, the more the satisfaction.
    I do not intend to ride at night, although if have to, both bikes have HID's
    We consider this to be the ultimate trip of our life! We are both close to 60! What we can do this year, may not next year!
    This journey is possible for us this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by racer7 View Post
    I have no idea how to plan a 4 week riding tour of the US. Sure its only 300 mile days or so by shortest routes. BUT 300 miles is still a bunch if you actually want to spend any time any where- or if the roads are something fun to ride and not superslab.
    Much of eastern US is not that different in appearance from ON or Germany. And the northeast is densely populated. If NYC is a "must do", I'd stop on the Hudson up by the Tappan Zee bridge someplace and take the train into and out of NYC. And allot maybe 2 days if you want to do a boat tour and explore a bit. But I was born near NYC and hate the whole area so you wouldn't get me there if you paid me.
    To see things different then both of you are used to I'd be planning most or all time out west. Just trying to do a few of the most scenic/famous national parks plus riding the west coast roads from southern CA to the Olympic peninsula is plenty for 4 weeks.
    Trying to pack too much in will reduce the time you two will have to enjoy each other's company and possibly result in two very exhausted riders trying to chase a too tight "schedule". I'd be trying to keep the mileage at around 250 or less per day to allow time to enjoy decent meals and relaxing evenings plus some exploration time of sights along the way. And though that doesn't sound like much, throw in a few days of rain riding and it gets longer. 30X250= 7500 miles total. Which is not enough for a "full circle"

    And 7500 might mean tire changes and other maintenance depending on if you start with new tires and freshly serviced machines.

    Don't forget you could be riding in conditions from desert dry heat where keeping core temps in control is mandatory to near freezing if you head for mountain altitudes.
    And riding at night can be risky in areas with a lot of wildlife unless you have seriously upgraded lighting. I like first light starts and late afternoon stops.

    So what would you put on 7500 miles? Or do you want to ride to exhaustion and do 12K or more which is what a fun road full circle would probably take.?
    We ride for a few (2 or 3) months every summer. West of the Mississippi 300 miles is 9:00 am to 3:00 pm. In the congested east all bets are off. Voni has been solo to the opening of the "Art and the Motorcycle" exhibit at the Guggenheim in NYC. I hate cities - too many chances for them to run me over and kill me.

    Decide what you wish to see. Plan short days in the congested east. Plan longer days in the west. Go see. Go do. Have fun.
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    Nyc

    I grew up 60 miles north of there. Riding in the city is a nightmare I no longer wish to experience. You can lose a GS in some of the pot holes! Plus, you have the hassle of what to do with all your gear. Look in the Anonymous book for a rider from Carmel, Brewster or that area who can possibly store the bikes. The trains from Brewster are commuters and run often. You'll draw less attention to yourselves in regular street clothes.
    There ARE some decent and cheap hotels in the city. Again, use your anonymous book to get up to date information from someone who lives there. You can probably spend two weeks there and not see everything! Bring plenty of money. Everything is expensive and taxed.
    With that said, I'm sure that you'll have a great time. NYC is one of the most exciting and entertaining cities in the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    We ride for a few (2 or 3) months every summer. West of the Mississippi 300 miles is 9:00 am to 3:00 pm. In the congested east all bets are off. Voni has been solo to the opening of the "Art and the Motorcycle" exhibit at the Guggenheim in NYC. I hate cities - too many chances for them to run me over and kill me.

    Decide what you wish to see. Plan short days in the congested east. Plan longer days in the west. Go see. Go do. Have fun.
    Thanks, Paul! That is the plan:go see, go do, and have some fun! Will miss a lot, but only so much can be seen in 4 weeks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1074 View Post
    I grew up 60 miles north of there. Riding in the city is a nightmare I no longer wish to experience. You can lose a GS in some of the pot holes! Plus, you have the hassle of what to do with all your gear. Look in the Anonymous book for a rider from Carmel, Brewster or that area who can possibly store the bikes. The trains from Brewster are commuters and run often. You'll draw less attention to yourselves in regular street clothes.
    There ARE some decent and cheap hotels in the city. Again, use your anonymous book to get up to date information from someone who lives there. You can probably spend two weeks there and not see everything! Bring plenty of money. Everything is expensive and taxed.
    With that said, I'm sure that you'll have a great time. NYC is one of the most exciting and entertaining cities in the world.
    Thanks for the suggestions! No more than two nights in NYC!! A motel that is safe to keep the bikes, and access to public transportation is what am looking for! And now that i know, will not ride thru the city even at early morning hours.( i mean 3 am!) It just comes to mind, who won the war? Am sure one can ride safe thru Hiroshima, Nagasaki or Berlin, without losing the bike in a path hole! Is much worse when you don't even know which way to go!! Am sure we'll be more than happy to get out of there! I almost believe is going to be the toughest part of our journey!

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    As most everybody suggested, will stop at a safe distance from the city,
    preferably a known chain of motels, park the bikes and use public transportation.
    Can anybody specify where is not to far, nor not far enough from the "jungle"
    that the city is well known to be? A motel name/location is also much appreciated!
    This is the first leg of our journey, and am already stuck without any specific plan.
    I'd like to believe the rest will be less complicated

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    From Windsor to NY , Denver, Vegas and back to Windsor, ON.

    Highly appreciate any help regarding our trip.
    Back from a trip cut short of expectations.
    We have fallowed the advise to rent a motel on the New Jersey side,
    close to Hudson river. Was a great advise! Stopped at Howard Johnson in
    N Bergen, a clean and fairly priced motel. Took the shuttle bus to NY for only
    $14/person back and forth. I noticed only the fee to cross the tunnel was $30
    per vehicle! And ohh my God, the traffic!! Not to mention the parking would
    have been a nightmare! But all went smooth, with no problems. My friend managed
    to take a bunch of pictures of the Big Apple. As far as I am concerned, that city is
    a place where shame is outlawed, and I am sure will never go there again!
    Didn't get to fallow my plan, as my German friend thought will never make it to the
    west coast. So he asked to take the shortest way to Vegas, since he always wanted
    to see that city.( he is a big city, high rises, eternal lights fan! Not me!) So we mist
    the Appalachians, the Dragons Tails, and so much more. But the weather was not the
    best, so we took of towards Denver. Denver area is great, couldn't admire more the
    scenes. From there to Utah, and Zion national park was the best to see along the way.
    And Vegas! My friend from Germany was trilled. and so was I, as soon as we left the city!
    Hoover Dam, and Grand Canyon was next. As my friend had enough of riding, demanded
    we turn our trip short and head home. A 15 day trip, over 9000 km or 5600 miles.
    My friend and I were impressed by the friendliness of the people that we met along the trip.
    Had no major issues, (other than the food that my friend found less than acceptable!) But
    a major heat wave took a tool on us in Arizona and New Mexico. And when we got home,
    (my home, Windsor, ON,) everything turned out to be so nice, clear skies and such, that made
    me appreciate what a nice place I live in!!(two days later I changed my mind, Windsor is BOORING!!)

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    New York City

    Probably late to this party but:

    NYC is a terrain ride. You wouldn't go into mountain passes in January so don't go into NYC during high traffic hours. It is a magnificent city and easily accessible, if you do some planning. Many affordable options for a stay, in even Manhattan, exist. One of the best is Seafarers International on 14th St. near Union Square. Less than $100 a night, squeaky clean, run by the Lutheran Church for seafarers but you don't need to tell a fib or have a sea card to stay. Ask desk where you might stash your bike in a pay lot and I'm sure they can steer you right and for what you save on the room, a garage won't be but so bad. Walk from there and use Subway, Busses, etc.

    Ride into town crack of dawn on Sunday morning, get settled and the city is your oyster. Leave crack of dawn, nearly any day of the week and have smooth sailing. Any heavy traffic at an early hour will be inbound.

    Cheers (A Southern Boy)

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    Quote Originally Posted by temesvar View Post
    As far as I am concerned, that city is
    a place where shame is outlawed, and I am sure will never go there again!
    I was raised in the South and have lived in the Islands for over 40 years but have made frequent visits to NYC. Anyplace there are 10-12 million souls, not everybody has time for you. That said, NYC is a place populated by every strain of human on the planet and no place have I ever met more kind, gentle and helpful people. You found it "shameful". Please fill in the blanks with what you encountered that qualified as shameful. You want potholes? Come visit the Islands. You want navigable traffic into and out of NYC? Take a fiver and make a plan. Sorry but I've got the Big Apple's back.

    I'll notify the mayor that you won't likely be back so he can readjust city services accordingly 😬

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    Quote Originally Posted by crucian View Post
    Probably late to this party but:

    NYC is a terrain ride. You wouldn't go into mountain passes in January so don't go into NYC during high traffic hours. It is a magnificent city and easily accessible, if you do some planning. Many affordable options for a stay, in even Manhattan, exist. One of the best is Seafarers International on 14th St. near Union Square. Less than $100 a night, squeaky clean, run by the Lutheran Church for seafarers but you don't need to tell a fib or have a sea card to stay. Ask desk where you might stash your bike in a pay lot and I'm sure they can steer you right and for what you save on the room, a garage won't be but so bad. Walk from there and use Subway, Busses, etc.

    Ride into town crack of dawn on Sunday morning, get settled and the city is your oyster. Leave crack of dawn, nearly any day of the week and have smooth sailing. Any heavy traffic at an early hour will be inbound.

    Cheers (A Southern Boy)
    Helpful information.! Am sure may help someone who plans to go that way.
    You are probably right, as well as late! Still, like better the advise I fallowed:
    Stay in New Jersey, shuttle bus to Manhattan for $14 back and forth/person.
    Only the tunnel is $30/vehicle. Am pleased with the way I went and thanks
    to the ones that suggested! Bikes where safe, parked in front of our door.

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