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    ABS Pro Retro-fit

    Hello,

    Anybody else get one of these notices from BMW Motorrad? Curiously, mine lists my local BMW car dealer instead of the MC dealer, which is only one or two miles away....

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    Quote Originally Posted by 36654 View Post
    Hello,

    Anybody else get one of these notices from BMW Motorrad? Curiously, mine lists my local BMW car dealer instead of the MC dealer, which is only one or two miles away....

    ???


    Braking should be much improved when you get your bike back with four wheels.
    Larry
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    Have not received a card so far.
    I see on the R1200RS forum some riders in Europe have done the update for $315 US installed.

    I noticed another US rider received a card and his also listed a BMW car dealer
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    Mine arrived today. It shows Engle Motors which is the dealer where we bought our bikes.
    $485 plus labor seems like a lot for a software download.

    I checked our bikes and both have the needed lean angle sensor in place.
    Lee
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    Mine arrived today. It shows Engle Motors which is the dealer where we bought our bikes.
    $485 plus labor seems like a lot for a software download.

    I checked our bikes and both have the needed lean angle sensor in place.
    It's just software????

    I think I'll pass.......
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    You should be so lucky as to have your BMW car dealer also selling motorcycles.

    That's the case for Albuquerque and Santa Fe (same ownership) and they are fabulous dealers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lkchris View Post
    You should be so lucky as to have your BMW car dealer also selling motorcycles.

    That's the case for Albuquerque and Santa Fe (same ownership) and they are fabulous dealers.
    I'm thinking it was a typo..........
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    I got one too.

    I think this option is a HIGHLY profitable add on for BMW and the dealer, but offers little benefit to the rider. I do not intend to buy this.

    I have given this some thought and tried to find out EXACTLY what this option does...with little success...just some nice sounding but vacuous marketing feel good words.

    All of our bikes have ABS...which works well and has saved my butt at least once.

    Here is my speculation....based on physics because BMW does not share specifics of what ABS pro does.

    When we are leaned over in a curve, two fact dominate the physics of the situation.

    1 for a given tire contact area, not all the contact area /adhesion potential is available for braking as a side forces increasingly use that adhesion, so adhesion for braking is reduced. ( more complex than this but the essence is correct)...so corning braking limits are less...ie limited/reduced by ABS pro algorithm. This is not very much at low 0-20 degree lean angle but is very significant at 45 degree plus lean angles.


    2 The radius of the tire changes as on leans over. ABS systems compare front and rear wheel speeds to detect wheel lock up/slipage and release/modulate the brake system pressure. The standard system we all have does this. There is built in tolerance (error band width) to account for the wheel and tire diameter differences, tire pressure based diameter changes and difference in tire manufacturer diameters.
    When we lean over the front and rear tire speeds differ evan more. The rolling radius of both the front and rear tire decrease as we lean over. This makes for a necessary loosening (widening) of the wheels speed difference before ABS break force reduction/modulation should be applied. Lean angle sensing is one way to do this.

    So my speculation is that ABS pro reduces the amount of braking, less than the normal ABS levels, that can be applied in cornering/leaned over situation to reduce the potential of wheel lockup causing a low side fall.

    If this is worth $485 to you..buy it.

    I'm putting that money toward my next trip

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobzeliff View Post

    Here is my speculation....based on physics because BMW does not share specifics of what ABS pro does.
    https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...ttable-abs-pro
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    Thanks. Does supply a bit more information.. Pretty much confirms my speculations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobzeliff View Post

    I'm putting that money toward my next trip
    I concur, some other use of that money could be found.......
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    Think I'll wait until spring before I decide on the upgrade. Might as well sit back and see how it goes.
    It's a lot of money, over $1,000 to do both bikes.

    I keep telling myself it's too much to pay, but then I remember we each paid $1,000 for the ABS option back in 1991 when we bought our K75Ss.
    Lee
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    I received an email about this just the other day. I just took delivery of a new R1200R last week. Seems if it's just a software upgrade then they should provide it for free, that is if our bikes already have the necessary equipment. They give software updates all the time at service. Why should this be different?

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    I contacted the dealer and also BMW North America and they were unable to determine if ABS Pro was active on my bike based on the serial number. I was able to ascertain that it indeed is a software upgrade only, all of the hardware is present on my bike. I was told that because my R12R has the premium package, ABS Pro should be active. However, ABS Pro is not listed as an inclusion of the premium package for the R on the BMW website but was listed for my GS. The only way to be sure is to take it to the dealer and plug it in to the diagnostic computer and see if it's active.

    Personally, I find it strange that BMW is charging for a simple software update, especially to the tune of $485+. Since it's a braking enhancement, I would think that BMW would want all of its customers to have the complete safety benefits that their motorcycle is mechanically able to provide.
    Steve

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    Quote Originally Posted by rtsteve View Post
    I contacted the dealer and also BMW North America and they were unable to determine if ABS Pro was active on my bike based on the serial number. I was able to ascertain that it indeed is a software upgrade only, all of the hardware is present on my bike. I was told that because my R12R has the premium package, ABS Pro should be active. However, ABS Pro is not listed as an inclusion of the premium package for the R on the BMW website but was listed for my GS. The only way to be sure is to take it to the dealer and plug it in to the diagnostic computer and see if it's active.

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    I thought ABS Pro was only active on the 2017 models for the R1200R and RS . I think production of the 2017s started Aug 2016.
    What's the build date on your bike? It printed on the forks.
    Lee
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