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    Quote Originally Posted by wkuwiz View Post

    FWIW I went by the Charlotte NC dealer today. Asked to speak to a mechanic about the problem. Service Manager inquires why, I show pic, he says they've used an air chisel but when it's been done before they hit the threaded nipple and had to replace. Oooops. Should have persisted in speaking to a mechanic but they have one of those nice showroom kind of shops...
    Just so there isn't any confusion, when I use an air-chisel on something like this, it isn't to do any cutting. It's to form a step and "push point" where quick bursts of the trigger can shock/vibrate/push the filter along in a circular motion.
    Because there is pressure on such a small part of the circle, 1/4" of movement would be a lot before the other side of the circle would have to be moved- to catch up.
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    As far as the "Nipple" The threaded part on the case that the filter spins on too, some are removable on cars. Usually inside the threaded nipple is an allen-hex that is usually around 12mm hex size. If you're turning what's left of the filter around and around, that threaded nipple which may or may not be removable is not turning also or it would have come loose by now. If it is in fact removable it would take a good bit of force to loosen it as someone else said you wouldn't want it to come off when changing the filter. Hopefully it is removable. I can't imagine how in the world the threads on the filter got stripped.

    My best advice to ALL in the future is to lubricate your filter o-ring seal with SILICONE grease. Then spin tight by hand. The silicone will allow the filter to come off much easier when you go to replace it. I have been doing this for years and never had a filter seize or leak and usually I can grab it and turn it loose by hand without a tool if there's access.

    I still can't imagine how this filter stripped unless it was just made from some bad metal.

    If it was my bike I would very carefully split the filter ring where it's threaded with a hand chisel and if that didn't work, maybe carefully try and cut it with a cutoff wheel.

    Sounds and looks like a real booger. Best case would be if the threaded part unscrews from engine block
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    Quote Originally Posted by fordtech50 View Post
    If it was my bike I would very carefully split the filter ring where it's threaded with a hand chisel and if that didn't work, maybe carefully try and cut it with a cutoff wheel.
    I was wondering how a professional would deal with something like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rinty View Post
    I was wondering how a professional would deal with something like this.
    A professional would use some of the techniques mentioned.
    A technician would tell you the a new engine is needed
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    This happened to me (1200rt) a couple of months ago. I took it to Brown Motor Works in Pomona CA and $250 later, they had it off. Eddie is the service manager. My name is Rick

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    Quote Originally Posted by 85801 View Post
    This happened to me (1200rt) a couple of months ago. I took it to Brown Motor Works in Pomona CA and $250 later, they had it off. Eddie is the service manager. My name is Rick
    Did they happen to say what the most likely cause was?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 85801 View Post
    This happened to me (1200rt) a couple of months ago. I took it to Brown Motor Works in Pomona CA and $250 later, they had it off. Eddie is the service manager. My name is Rick
    Yes - would love to know the cause...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wkuwiz View Post
    Yes - would love to know the cause...
    How are you making out?
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    They told me I had tightened the filter too tight. I used a torque wrench but was told next time I put one on, hand tighten as much as I can, then use a wrench for 1/2 more turn.

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    I have used hundreds of the Wix brand filters through the years, with results good enough that I keep using them.
    Out of the package there is printed on the can- letters that let you know how tight the filter should (recommended) should be.....Showing 3/4's of a turn.



    Installation tips for these filters are as follows:
    1. Using a filter wrench, remove the old filter.
    2. Clean the filter mounting base making sure that any remnants of the gasket or other foreign materials are removed.
    3. Apply a thin film of clean engine oil to new filterís gasket and internal seal. Do not use grease!
    4. Spin on the new filter. When the gasket contacts the mounting base, rotate the filter 3/4 turn.
    5. Re fill the system with the recommended fluid.
    6. Start the engine and check for leakage.

    Even if I don't use a Wix or the particular Wix doesn't have the "4" reference marks, I add them myself. I have found the 3/4 turn rule works well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by omega man View Post
    i have used hundreds of the wix brand filters through the years, with results good enough that i keep using them.
    Out of the package there is printed on the can- letters that let you know how tight the filter should (recommended) should be.....showing 3/4's of a turn.



    installation tips for these filters are as follows:
    1. Using a filter wrench, remove the old filter.
    2. Clean the filter mounting base making sure that any remnants of the gasket or other foreign materials are removed.
    3. Apply a thin film of clean engine oil to new filterís gasket and internal seal. Do not use grease!
    4. Spin on the new filter. When the gasket contacts the mounting base, rotate the filter 3/4 turn.
    5. Re fill the system with the recommended fluid.
    6. Start the engine and check for leakage.

    Even if i don't use a wix or the particular wix doesn't have the "4" reference marks, i add them myself. I have found the 3/4 turn rule works well.
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    Hand tight plus 1/2 turn, or initial contact plus 3/4 turn are probably approximately the same. For sure neither should strip threads, and also neither will be likely to leak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    Hand tight plus 1/2 turn, or initial contact plus 3/4 turn are probably approximately the same. For sure neither should strip threads, and also neither will be likely to leak.
    I'm certainly not saying that is wrong, just that I've done all my vehicle's filters about 1/4 turn less than that and never had a problem.
    IMO People get in trouble when they try to mash that filter gasket into a fraction of it's starting thickness.
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    I just changed my oil, filter and looked up into the threaded filter attachment piece and it does not come off. It's part of the engine case. I hope I never have this happen.
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    Heading to the BMW Shop tomorrow

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    My problem probably stemmed from having an old gasket that stuck in there. I had two in my oil drain pan (knowing I had only changed one bike prior). My tightening after the hand twist never hit a point where 11nm would click. After about 2 turns I quit. Backed it off and fished for the foreign object - it was the gasket ring (the other was from an older change (d'oh!).

    I threaded the new filter back on and gave it the 11NM click. Rode 4,000 miles (or my wife did) and then I could not get it off. I am down to the very top of the filter having torn it down and gave up. Had several friends over to come up with a solution but the threaded sump nipple is worrisome. We had a dremel discussion and action, a turn and pull hard discussion w action, and a cold chisel/drill it discussion with action...
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    I'll let you guys know...I'd like the big boys to look.

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