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    CHP Guidelines Released

    The California Highway Patrol has (finally) formally released their first-cut guide to splitting.
    Details and some news comments can be found at:

    https://www.chp.ca.gov/PressReleases...ss_Release.pdf

    http://lanesplittingislegal.com/lane...ral-guidelines

    https://ktla.com/2018/09/28/chp-rele...motorcyclists/

    Many thanks to ABATE of California and Jim Lombardo.

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    Been riding in CA for 50 years now and lane split a little as needed but see no changes with these guidelines which suits me just fine.

    Thanks for posting this update Pauls1150.

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    Thanks for posting. Should the shoulder be defined as to the right of a solid white line?

    I occasionally ride to the right of traffic on Mission St in Santa Cruz where there is no bike lane and no white line, only a curb. I consider that legal for now.
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    Most of Mission (aka Cabrillo Hwy) is two lanes in each direction, not including the left-turn-only lanes.
    I would say that passing on the right is a ticketable offense (but only if you're caught). $146 gone.

    Part of the definition of a "shoulder" is "an emergency stopping lane" - so that might considered an additional violation. I wasn't able to find anything requiring a painted line, so maybe it's where the blacktop ends??? Dunno...

    From nolo.com -
    The laws in most states prohibit passing on the right, except under the following circumstances:
    •The passed vehicle is about to turn left. (You still can't drive onto the unpaved shoulder of the road.)
    •The street or road is wide enough to accommodate two lanes of traffic.
    Even if passing on the right is allowed under one of the above exceptions, you must do so "under conditions permitting such movement in safety."

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    I was in CA this summer from Indiana. I had the opportunity to lane splitting quite a few times. I did it cause I didn’t want to sit in stop traffic when it was in the upper 90’s low 100’s. I was on a 15 R12GSA with bags, I didn’t do more than 10-25mph. There was a few cars/truck that would not move over, but generally everybody parted like the Red Sea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls1150 View Post
    Most of Mission (aka Cabrillo Hwy) is two lanes in each direction, not including the left-turn-only lanes.
    I would say that passing on the right is a ticketable offense (but only if you're caught). $146 gone.

    Part of the definition of a "shoulder" is "an emergency stopping lane" - so that might considered an additional violation. I wasn't able to find anything requiring a painted line, so maybe it's where the blacktop ends??? Dunno...

    From nolo.com -
    The laws in most states prohibit passing on the right, except under the following circumstances:
    •The passed vehicle is about to turn left. (You still can't drive onto the unpaved shoulder of the road.)
    •The street or road is wide enough to accommodate two lanes of traffic.
    Even if passing on the right is allowed under one of the above exceptions, you must do so "under conditions permitting such movement in safety."
    Ok now, hold the phone. I was under the impression that you could not legally pass a car turning left on a two opposing lane road if you had to cross a solid white line to the right. I postulate that the shoulder in this case is from the white line to the end of pavement. On Mission St there is in no possible definition an "emergency" lane between lane 2 and the curb. Its so treacherous to the right that literally NO bicycles ride on that stretch of road in an area highly bicycle dense due to ucsc and hipster westside cyclemania and now jump bikes. I contend that from left yellow to the right curb is free game. How can passing on the right be illegal when one lane can pass on the right? You can pass on the right but not too far to the right? In the end its really not an issue because there is zero law enforcement monitoring of traffic in santa cruz county except for chp on hwy 1 every once in a while.
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    I haven’t read this whole thread but in places like Paris and Sao Paulo it is wild to watch the thousands of 2 wheeled machines fly through traffic between lanes, especially when there are 4 or 5 lanes of cars and 4 or 5 streams of scooters and bikes blowing by them. Car drivers know to check before changing lanes and they are used to watching for riders. Makes me jealous every time.
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    A single white line marks the edge of a lane. A double white (or yellow) line is a barrier that should not be crossed until you get to a dashed section or an opening, or one is turning into a driveway (the driveway part is also legal if the lines are yellow).
    In an earlier post, you said that there was no line on the right, so that's how I based my response; now you're saying there is.
    If you cross that line, yes you're on the shoulder, and that would be an illegal move.

    If one is actually concerned about law enforcement, re-read the CA DMV Driver Handbook https://www.dmv.ca.gov/web/eng_pdf/dl600.pdf Lane control starts on page 44, but keep in mind that this publication is an abbreviated statement of fact, they don't cover "Every" possible situation. You need to read the finer details of the law (sorry I don't have the link) for specific statutes.
    Or you can discuss it with the judge; I'm sure he'll place a lot of credence on everybody's personal conceptions and interpretations.

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    I believe you are playing a lost in translation act to hook me into engaging negatively. Please stop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greenwald View Post
    My dear beemerdood -

    Your commentary is getting a tad sarcastic and accusatory, but that's OK with me - thick skin. If we can't examine this phenomenon with objectivity, best we not discuss it at all.

    As Paul somewhat enthusiastically pointed out, I 'detest' lane splitting, though that's a bit too strongly worded - more like, I don't really consider it a 'safety option,' so much as simply a long-practiced convenience in your state.

    No need for us to go round and round on this - your passion for this practice is evident, so I'll not disturb your feelings on this issue.

    As I certainly do not wish you to lose sleep over the absence of an epic apology, I officially apologize for confusing guidelines with actual statutory requirements. If you wish to continue insulting my "experience and expertise," you are welcome to do so. After all, I am unaware of your credentials.


    Ride safe and often in your state!
    When in Rome, one may do as the Romans do or choose to stay in their lane in congested traffic. YOU still have a choice, no one is making you lane split or sit in stop and go traffic with a bike that will overheat doing so in the middle of the summer.

    I can't even believe this thread has enough traction to be argumentative about something that's practiced in some state but isn't mandatory to practice leaving one their right to choose what THEY are or are not comfortable with.

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    Hey brownie - You're the one digging up posts that are almost a year old and throwing them back into the arena.

    Then complaining that "traction to be argumentative" still exists. Geesh.

    That's classy.

    FYI, I visited my daughter in Torrance this past June, and drove from there to San Diego and back in a day, to visit a brother-in-law who resides in Mira Mesa.

    Every time motorcycles buzzed past my driver's door, I was well beyond going 30 MPH, and they were quite a bit over 10 MPH faster than me.

    Nice 'rules' on the CHP brochures, but in practice, they were ignored.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greenwald View Post
    Hey brownie - You're the one digging up posts that are almost a year old and throwing them back into the arena.

    Then complaining that "traction to be argumentative" still exists. Geesh.

    That's classy.
    When there's an update to an old thread, it's appropriate to bring it up again.

    Quote Originally Posted by greenwald View Post
    FYI, I visited my daughter in Torrance this past June, and drove from there to San Diego and back in a day, to visit a brother-in-law who resides in Mira Mesa.

    Every time motorcycles buzzed past my driver's door, I was well beyond going 30 MPH, and they were quite a bit over 10 MPH faster than me.

    Nice'rules' on the CHP brochures, but in practice, they were ignored.
    I thought that you had gotten this straight, but as we can see from this post, you missed again. They are still "guidelines," or "tips," not "rules." I'd think that a LEO would note this IMPORANT difference.

    THIS BROCHURE says,
    Motorcyclists who are competent enough riders to lane split should follow these tips
    If they were "rules" as you call them, the languages would be "Shall follow …"


    THIS PRESS RELEASE uses the same language, "tips."

    One can still lane split even though traffic is going as you described, "well beyond 30 MPH" and one can still ride "quite a bit over 10 MPH faster than" traffic.

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    Hey - Good Morning Beemerdood!
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    Quote Originally Posted by greenwald View Post
    Hey - Good Morning Beemerdood!
    Morning. I have a very simple question for you that I've asked a couple of times in the past when this topic was being discussed, even right in this thread! You've never answered it, but maybe this time you will.

    Based on your posts on lane splitting, it's apparent that you oppose it. It seems that you oppose both doing it and laws being passed in states that would permit it. Why?

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