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    R1200GSw LC Wethead Final Drive change and Spline Lube Pictorial!

    While not part of the BMW Service Schedule, it is a good idea to do this at the 6 or 12 K service. This is especially true if you do a lot of deep water crossings, ride in the rain often, or just put on a lot of miles. There have been cases of corrosion in the FD on several bikes, though not a large number by percentage, and even a failure of the FD splines on one bike due to corrosion. So, with that in mind, I decided to check a 14K mile and 6K mile GSw today. Here are the results, and general how-to:

    Pull the fender and wheel.



    Then remove the speed sensor and the brake caliper:





    Then hang the caliper out of the way:



    Next remove the drain and fill plugs:

     photo 6K service 3-11-16 19 copy.jpg


    Then pull the bolt holding the Paralink bolt to the final drive:



    Be prepared for it to drop down as you pull the bolt. Sometimes it doesn't and you will have to pull the final drive down. Make sure you have a cookie sheet or tray below the FD. You want no more than 1" deep for a tray. No worries about the amount of fluid, it will be fine.



    Now you can see the condition of the splines, and the area inside the final drive. Both bikes looked exactly like this, and the 14K mile bike had a lot of off roading, presumably with water crossings. If you find oil in the swingarm, look up inside and see if there is an oil trail. If so, it will be the transmission output seal. If not, look at the dropped final drive for wet oil indicating a leaking final drive input seal.

    Time to lube the spline, even if they have lube. Use a Moly based lube like I did:





    No need to go nuts, a thin layer is fine.

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    Once done, the fun part begins. You need to install the gaiter and mate the final drive to the driveshaft. There are two tricks to it. First, install a soft wire into the driveshaft U-joint like this to hold it in position:



    Second, leave off the gator and fit the final drive. You will see it can be tricky. Use the big final drive hole to rotate the final drive to mate the splines. I hold the FD through the hole and rotate it like to mate the. Once mated, gently drop it down allowing the final drive hole to rotate back. Install the gator on the FD side in the clips, then lift it back up. It may take a few tries.



    Once you get them to mate, install the Paralever bolt to hold it in place.

    Once in place, press the gator clips into the swingarm and make sure it fits correctly. It is pretty obvious:



    Once that is in place, install the paralever bolt all the way, then the final drive drain, then the speed sensor and brake caliper:






    Then pop in 180ml of final drive gear oil.




    Reinstall the wheel:


    Install the fender, if you have one (3Nm with medium strength loctite) and you are done.

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    Thanks again Jim

    Looks like we need a DIY area here like in Hex/Camheads. I'll see if we can get that going...seems you had one or two DIY's prior as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by henzilla View Post
    Thanks again Jim

    Looks like we need a DIY area here like in Hex/Camheads. I'll see if we can get that going...seems you had one or two DIY's prior as well
    +1... its been asked for earlier but seems to be some reluctance???

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    Quote Originally Posted by henzilla View Post
    Thanks again Jim

    Looks like we need a DIY area here like in Hex/Camheads. I'll see if we can get that going...seems you had one or two DIY's prior as well
    My pleasure.

    I have three YouTube videos for the Wethead. Bodywork removal and installation for the GS, GSA and RT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gene36542 View Post
    +1... its been asked for earlier but seems to be some reluctance???
    I don't recall a pushback...will see what we can get done. We just don't have a lot of contributors as in years past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by henzilla View Post
    Thanks again Jim

    Looks like we need a DIY area here like in Hex/Camheads. I'll see if we can get that going...seems you had one or two DIY's prior as well
    Quote Originally Posted by gene36542 View Post
    +1... its been asked for earlier but seems to be some reluctance???
    With going on 12K views, the The Wethead Accessories and Mods "sticky" has been pretty popular.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimvonbaden View Post
    My pleasure.

    I have three YouTube videos for the Wethead. Bodywork removal and installation for the GS, GSA and RT.

    Jim
    As always, Thanks Jim

    This will be added to the sticky as well.

    your garage is still too clean

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    Great clear instructions. BUT - at the risk of raining on your parade - you've performed some work which was evidently unnecessary and has the potential to cause problems. Anytime you disturb seals there's a risk of causing leaks that weren't there before. Obviously your choice, but it's something to consider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesevans View Post
    Great clear instructions. BUT - at the risk of raining on your parade - you've performed some work which was evidently unnecessary and has the potential to cause problems. Anytime you disturb seals there's a risk of causing leaks that weren't there before. Obviously your choice, but it's something to consider.
    Sooner or later maintenance will be needed- This DIY from Jim is a great resource for those who like to do maintenance on their own.
    ASCycles is a great resource for maintenance intervals- https://www.ascycles.com/pdf/Service...%20Service.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega Man View Post
    Sooner or later maintenance will be needed- This DIY from Jim is a great resource for those who like to do maintenance on their own.
    ASCycles is a great resource for maintenance intervals- https://www.ascycles.com/pdf/Service...%20Service.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by garesnare View Post
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    Service schedules are also available on my web site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garesnare View Post
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    Have a try on another computer and see watcha get.
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    Sorry, here is a more direct link to the service schedule, tool lists, torque values for all modern R-series bikes.

    http://www.jvbproductions.com/Links.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimvonbaden View Post
    While not part of the BMW Service Schedule. There have been cases of corrosion in the FD on several bikes, though not a large number by percentage, and even a failure of the FD splines on one bike due to corrosion.
    That is nice of you to supply this for DIYers. I ride in rain rarely, as in about 4x in 25K miles, don't ride thru water, and have a '16 RTLC. I'm very curious about two things in your comment above: when you mention failure of splines due to corrosion, was that an LC model? Why do you think BMW does not include this as part of scheduled service? I'm guessing prevalence must be exceedingly low percentage-wise else it seems they would add this service as something to help them undo the 'BMW's still have FD issues!' notoriety, plus they could then charge another $100 as a service item every 12K miles or what have you. Also, what exactly 'seals' the boot so water cannot leak inside? I think it would only be worth doing if at the same time you could also check the front u-joint that way you could checking arguably the most vulnerable two components, both u-joints and both splines. What extra steps to pull the shaft out?

    Ahh, one last question: did you find once you cracked the bevel gear drain bolt it was fairly hard to twist out, i.e., unlike the crankcase drain bolt which you can easily twist out with fingers alone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncpbmw1953 View Post
    That is nice of you to supply this for DIYers. I ride in rain rarely, as in about 4x in 25K miles, don't ride thru water, and have a '16 RTLC. I'm very curious about two things in your comment above: when you mention failure of splines due to corrosion, was that an LC model? Why do you think BMW does not include this as part of scheduled service? I'm guessing prevalence must be exceedingly low percentage-wise else it seems they would add this service as something to help them undo the 'BMW's still have FD issues!' notoriety, plus they could then charge another $100 as a service item every 12K miles or what have you. Also, what exactly 'seals' the boot so water cannot leak inside? I think it would only be worth doing if at the same time you could also check the front u-joint that way you could checking arguably the most vulnerable two components, both u-joints and both splines. What extra steps to pull the shaft out?

    Ahh, one last question: did you find once you cracked the bevel gear drain bolt it was fairly hard to twist out, i.e., unlike the crankcase drain bolt which you can easily twist out with fingers alone?
    In my experience, the RT doesn't generally has as much of an issue, probably due to a less extreme angel of the swingarm.

    The corrosion issue comes when water pools in the boot, which seals well on the final drive end, but not well on the swingarm end. The water gets in, but cant get out. The rust grows and causes the splines to grind against each other until they fail. This is not a common issue, but common enough to be worth checking periodically. I recommend the 6K service, then every 12-24K depending on the amount of riding in rain, water crossings, and exposure to water. High pressur washing can cause water to get in as well.

    Here are a couple of examples of rust on the splines.







    Typically the FD drain bolt will be firm until the O-ring is exposed, then it will turn out easily.

    Thanks,

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