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Need Help with the Throttle Synch Cables 2012 R1200RT

wvpc

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Need HELP! with the R side Throttle Bowden Cable.

I performed my 30K mile service without a hitch until attempting the Throttle Body Synch.

I touched only the right side cable. It seems as though the top adjuster no longer engages the threaded shaft that the bottom adjuster spins on. The top adjuster spins in either direction without engaging the threaded shaft.

How can I get the top adjuster to engage the threaded shaft? Is there anyone local who can help? I am in Ypsi, Michigan.
 
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Need HELP! with the R side Throttle Bowden Cable.

I performed my 30K mile service without a hitch until attempting the Throttle Body Synch.

I touched only the right side cable. It seems as though the top adjuster no longer engages the threaded shaft that the bottom adjuster spins on. The top adjuster spins in either direction without engaging the threaded shaft.

How can I get the top adjuster to engage the threaded shaft? Is there anyone local who can help? I am in Ypsi, Michigan.

PM me your email addy and i will send the instructions for replacing the right side cable...

wyman
 
So others can see:

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Jim :brow
 
What isn't shown in those instructions (the REP-ROM assumes lots of things are "obvious" to trained mechanics) is - to get the cover off the throttle-body, it's first required that the throttle body be removed from the cylinder/air-box. Doing this isn't a terrible job IF you have the correct special pliers used to release and reinstall the tension-bands used to hold the rubber bits to the hard bits. I do suggest trying to bodge this will be a bad move and ultimately expensive. The tool looks like the mouth of Ollie from Kukla, Fran and Ollie (am I showing my age?) - with two opposing teeth that go into raised bits on the bands allowing you to remove, and then install the bands.

I seem to recall finding mine on Amazon.. Lisle CV BOOT CLAMP PLIERS FOR EARLESS TYPE C - LIS30500 - http://www.amazon.com/Lisle-30500-B...=1-1&keywords=Lisle+30500+CV+Boot+Clamp+Plier

$18 - worth every penny. These are the same pliers that my friendly local official BMW dealer's mechanic's use. I asked them before I purchased them. Probably also available at NAPA auto-parts stores (might have to be ordered) as these are commonly used on CV joint bands on GM cars.

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Two other comments..

- This sort of failure is typically caused by tightening the lock nut on the cable adjuster too much. Doing this actually pulls the threads apart.

- I've never had to actually adjust my TB's. That's with 87,000 miles on them now. Once the valve adjustment is done correctly - the throttle bodies fall right into sync. And you may want to read the DIY thread on doing the adjustment - it is NOT done at idle. Doing it at idle is going to be very non-productive.

Good luck! PITA to get to the junction box on an RT (it's almost right out in the open on a Roadster..) Plus if you have cruise-control, there will be another cable going to the junction (Bowden) box for the cruising control.
 
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$18 - worth every penny. These are the same pliers that my friendly local official BMW dealer's mechanic's use. I asked them before I purchased them. Probably also available at NAPA auto-parts stores (might have to be ordered) as these are commonly used on CV joint bands on GM cars.

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it TOTALLY is.

I used some pliers/vice grips the first time around when i was trying to get access to a cam-chain tensioner bolt; had to move the throttle bodies.

what a PITA.

first time i had just torqued to handtight (the tensioner bolt), but later i wanted to torque to spec cuz i got all self concious; second time had tool purchased above to remove the clamps. So much easier.
 
it TOTALLY is.

I used some pliers/vice grips the first time around when i was trying to get access to a cam-chain tensioner bolt; had to move the throttle bodies.

what a PITA.

first time i had just torqued to handtight (the tensioner bolt), but later i wanted to torque to spec cuz i got all self concious; second time had tool purchased above to remove the clamps. So much easier.
I had to use mine last weekend - helping out a local club member who had a loose port side chain tensioner housing (leaking oil).. used them for exactly the same reason - removed the TB, and there was room to get the head of my torque wrench and a 14mm socket in to tighten the housing. Using the right tools - it was a 10 minute job. Using some bodge sort of tool - probably would have damaged one of the bands, meaning the friend wouldn't be able to ride the bike home until we found him a new one. Bet the new band from BMW costs a significant portion of the cost of the tool.

If you're gonna do work on your bike - there are some tools it simply is worth having. For a modern BMW - this is one of those tools.
 
What isn't shown in those instructions (the REP-ROM assumes lots of things are "obvious" to trained mechanics) is - to get the cover off the throttle-body, it's first required that the throttle body be removed from the cylinder/air-box. Doing this isn't a terrible job IF you have the correct special pliers used to release and reinstall the tension-bands used to hold the rubber bits to the hard bits. I do suggest trying to bodge this will be a bad move and ultimately expensive. The tool looks like the mouth of Ollie from Kukla, Fran and Ollie (am I showing my age?) - with two opposing teeth that go into raised bits on the bands allowing you to remove, and then install the bands.

I seem to recall finding mine on Amazon.. Lisle CV BOOT CLAMP PLIERS FOR EARLESS TYPE C - LIS30500 - http://www.amazon.com/Lisle-30500-B...=1-1&keywords=Lisle+30500+CV+Boot+Clamp+Plier

$18 - worth every penny. These are the same pliers that my friendly local official BMW dealer's mechanic's use. I asked them before I purchased them. Probably also available at NAPA auto-parts stores (might have to be ordered) as these are commonly used on CV joint bands on GM cars.

31GU2WI-D1L.jpg


Two other comments..

- This sort of failure is typically caused by tightening the lock nut on the cable adjuster too much. Doing this actually pulls the threads apart.

- I've never had to actually adjust my TB's. That's with 87,000 miles on them now. Once the valve adjustment is done correctly - the throttle bodies fall right into sync. And you may want to read the DIY thread on doing the adjustment - it is NOT done at idle. Doing it at idle is going to be very non-productive.

Good luck! PITA to get to the junction box on an RT (it's almost right out in the open on a Roadster..) Plus if you have cruise-control, there will be another cable going to the junction (Bowden) box for the cruising control.

When I replaced my throttle bodies, I used the tool below. Worked like a charm. None of the auto parts stores carried them, so I ordered off eBay or Amazon, I can't remember.

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When I replaced my throttle bodies, I used the tool below. Worked like a charm. None of the auto parts stores carried them, so I ordered off eBay or Amazon, I can't remember.

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Very similar tool, but about 2x the price of the Lisle. It has parallelogram jaws, but I actually don't see the real need for them in this application. Nice tool, but.. and Amazon carries it.
 
back at ya...

let me know if you need any more instruction PDFs....

wman

Well wman since you asked......If you could forward the fuel tank removal portion on the REP/RPOM that would be highly appreciated.


And thank you agin in advance:wave
 
What isn't shown in those instructions (the REP-ROM assumes lots of things are "obvious" to trained mechanics) is - to get the cover off the throttle-body, it's first required that the throttle body be removed from the cylinder/air-box. Doing this isn't a terrible job IF you have the correct special pliers used to release and reinstall the tension-bands used to hold the rubber bits to the hard bits. I do suggest trying to bodge this will be a bad move and ultimately expensive. The tool looks like the mouth of Ollie from Kukla, Fran and Ollie (am I showing my age?) - with two opposing teeth that go into raised bits on the bands allowing you to remove, and then install the bands.

I seem to recall finding mine on Amazon.. Lisle CV BOOT CLAMP PLIERS FOR EARLESS TYPE C - LIS30500 - http://www.amazon.com/Lisle-30500-B...=1-1&keywords=Lisle+30500+CV+Boot+Clamp+Plier

$18 - worth every penny. These are the same pliers that my friendly local official BMW dealer's mechanic's use. I asked them before I purchased them. Probably also available at NAPA auto-parts stores (might have to be ordered) as these are commonly used on CV joint bands on GM cars.

31GU2WI-D1L.jpg


Two other comments..

- This sort of failure is typically caused by tightening the lock nut on the cable adjuster too much. Doing this actually pulls the threads apart.

- I've never had to actually adjust my TB's. That's with 87,000 miles on them now. Once the valve adjustment is done correctly - the throttle bodies fall right into sync. And you may want to read the DIY thread on doing the adjustment - it is NOT done at idle. Doing it at idle is going to be very non-productive.

Good luck! PITA to get to the junction box on an RT (it's almost right out in the open on a Roadster..) Plus if you have cruise-control, there will be another cable going to the junction (Bowden) box for the cruising control.

FWIW, when I experienced the same problem with the adjuster I was able to replace the right Bowden cable without moving/removing the throttle body. Having this tool certainly would have made the disconnecting/reconnecting the cable at the pulley a bit easier though.
 
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