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Thread: Flea Market is archaic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by beemerdons View Post
    +1, Gunny; it's a sad truth, our MOA Forum Flea Market is a total joke! jes' sayin' and nuff said!
    Just use this forum until it's fixed...

    Non issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grafikfeat View Post
    Just use this forum until it's fixed...

    Non issue.
    It is and has always been the Moderator's position that the Member Opportunities forum, to which the link above references, is not for use to buy/sell/trade motorcycle equipment. The Flea Market is like a craigslist, etc., for selling a motorcycle, or looking for a riding suit. Member Opportunites instead has the following basic intention:

    The goal here is to continue to allow members who want to promote a small business venture (product or service) they have to benefit other MOA members and/or to see if an idea might be good enough to move to a different business model with advertising, etc.
    So please, don't use the Member Opportunity area for any other purpose. Otherwise, the Moderators will be forced to delete those posts.

    There have been several indications over the past few months, here on the forum as well as in the ON, that a new flea market tool is coming. It's not here yet, but it will be soon. I'm sorry that the current Flea Market doesn't work, but it is outside the touch of the forum...it is its own entity. It will be that way in the future. So, please wait until you see that new feature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 20774 View Post
    It is and has always been the Moderator's position that the Member Opportunities forum, to which the link above references, is not for use to buy/sell/trade motorcycle equipment. The Flea Market is like a craigslist, etc., for selling a motorcycle, or looking for a riding suit. Member Opportunites instead has the following basic intention:

    So please, don't use the Member Opportunity area for any other purpose. Otherwise, the Moderators will be forced to delete those posts.

    There have been several indications over the past few months, here on the forum as well as in the ON, that a new flea market tool is coming. It's not here yet, but it will be soon. I'm sorry that the current Flea Market doesn't work, but it is outside the touch of the forum...it is its own entity. It will be that way in the future. So, please wait until you see that new feature.

    Thanks...
    Once again Folks, if you need to sell something or anything BMW until our MOA Forum gets its act together, use the Adventure Rider Flea Market to sell Bikes, Parts, Gear, Equipment and anything else you need to buy or sell in the Beemer World! Papa Chuy Viejo guarantees you, it does WORK over there! JSNS! http://www.advrider.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=14
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    Quote Originally Posted by 20774 View Post
    It is and has always been the Moderator's position that the Member Opportunities forum, to which the link above references, is not for use to buy/sell/trade motorcycle equipment. The Flea Market is like a craigslist, etc., for selling a motorcycle, or looking for a riding suit.
    That is well understood while the the flea market was operational. It's not operational. Yes. It is a separate entity. But it's not working.
    Is it not accessed on the MOA site? It's not on FaceBook or instagram where all the cool kids are... (Right I.S.?)
    Why not cut the members some slack until it is in place and functional.
    Then revert back to the original intention.

    This also raises another point.
    What is this "moderators position"? Dictating or policing? I would hope it would be facilitator instead of the aforementioned.

    ...and I don't wanna hear about how overworked everyone is... I've asked to help and have been ignored.
    I've said it once if not a hunnerd times... Volunteers should never complain.

    Open the damn gate and let them sell their crap until the flea market is fixed. Done, Fini. Easypeasy... What ever else ya wanna call it. Sheesh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grafikfeat View Post
    That is well understood while the the flea market was operational. It's not operational. Yes. It is a separate entity. But it's not working.
    Is it not accessed on the MOA site? It's not on FaceBook or instagram where all the cool kids are... (Right I.S.?)
    Why not cut the members some slack until it is in place and functional.
    Then revert back to the original intention.
    The MOA site and the forum are separate sites/URLs. The Flea Market just happens to be another URL...it can be accessed directly as opposed to going to either the MOA or forum first. We already tried an inside-forum flea market a year or more ago when the flea market that proceeded the current one wasn't available. While that had some functionality, it was not universally accepted. So, that approach will not be used again as far as I know.

    This also raises another point.
    What is this "moderators position"? Dictating or policing? I would hope it would be facilitator instead of the aforementioned.
    The position is neither dictating or policing. There are posting guidelines which are posted under the FAQs for all to read. It is the moderator's "charge" to maintain the actions in the forum as the guidelines in the FAQs provide.

    ...and I don't wanna hear about how overworked everyone is... I've asked to help and have been ignored.
    I've said it once if not a hunnerd times... Volunteers should never complain.

    Open the damn gate and let them sell their crap until the flea market is fixed. Done, Fini. Easypeasy... What ever else ya wanna call it. Sheesh.
    No complaining from our side. Another classified feature is coming. It would be best all around to wait for that. Everyone seems to have been patient so far...I recommend remaining patient for just a little more time. I think it would be more disruptive to try something for a day or two, have all new ads entered into an intermediate area, only to have to have those ads re-entered a few days later in the new flea market.

    I understand that the flea market is less than optimum. The message part doesn't work...or work as it should. Knowing that, people should include their phone number and/or direct email address in their ad. That way contact can be made outside the flea market itself. Searching for stuff is haphazard at best...not much that can be done about that. It can be manually reviewed...painful I can agree. The flea market doesn't work as intended. But another flea market is coming. That's really where things stand.
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    The position is neither dictating or policing. There are posting guidelines which are posted under the FAQs for all to read. It is the moderator's "charge" to maintain the actions in the forum as the guidelines in the FAQs provide.
    Guidelines: "A guideline is a statement by which to determine a course of action. A guideline aims to streamline particular processes according to a set routine or sound practice. By definition, following a guideline is never mandatory. Guidelines are not binding and are not enforced."

    Knowing that, people should include their phone number and/or direct email address in their ad. That way contact can be made outside the flea market itself. Searching for stuff is haphazard at best...not much that can be done about that. It can be manually reviewed...painful I can agree. The flea market doesn't work as intended. But another flea market is coming. That's really where things stand.
    So please, don't use the Member Opportunity area for any other purpose. Otherwise, the Moderators will be forced to delete those posts.
    Yes. Because a post "Belstaff Pants size XXXXXXL Worn Twice Private Message For All Details" is such a terrible thread.
    Although, I will concur the added hassle of deleting it after it has been sold since "members" cannot delete their own threads.
    The seller should always be responsible enough to change it's status by adding the world "SOLD" in the heading after the fact.
    Or as a [guideline] request it's deletion.

    (my neck hurts. i'm going back to bed.)

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    After reading through this thread (I now ask myself WHY?) my one thought is that the US government, with seemingly unlimited expertise and money, is still trying to get the Obamacare website "correct". I think it unrealistic to believe that this BMW website, mostly run by volunteers, cannot stumble a time or two, or three, or four before getting it right.

    Good luck to the volunteers who are trying to remedy this situation.
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    You got out of bed to cut-n-paste?

    Yes, the FM is currently not functioning....Yes, there is a new format coming real soon. Yes, other sites may work better currently and work for some. Others do not use other sites and are OK with the wait. Frustrating, yes. It is what it is for now.

    I do not complain about the volunteer task I agreed to be a part of, the reality is it is not a JOB that I need to have. Most of us do not sit in front of a screen full time anymore, so coming on and spend time moving threads or applying the Guidelines in keeping this forum civil takes patience and sometimes more time than I care to spend.

    The FM is not a part of the Forum and will not be in the new roll out, so why scramble the eggs here?

    Just because the guidelines do not meet your personal perception of how it should be is no reason to come at the mods or the Board. You claim to be leaving again...you leaving like a lion or a lamb? It appears to be the former and if that's your course, I have to ask why? It isn't helping anybody but maybe you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by henzilla View Post
    Just because the guidelines do not meet your personal perception of how it should be is no reason to come at the mods or the Board.
    HUH? This lowly serf is not allowed to approacheth thine Ivory Towers?

    No. It's got nothing to do w/ personal... I'm the only one posting disdain as the others hate the flame throwing that follows.
    As to leaving. Again. Yes. I've said plenty of places... My avatar clearly states it. Just over 30 days...
    Folks as yourself take the term club literally and beat others with it...
    One only needs to peruse the forums to see "guest" under previous members names... People are leaving.

    And that's a fact. As one member confided in me... "Raffles are a terrible business model."

    Enjoy your club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akbeemer View Post
    grafik, A watched clock never chimes. Sometimes you need to just act to be happy.
    OK. Will do.

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    Not encouraging; wish you wouldn't, but......
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    Quote Originally Posted by grafikfeat View Post
    One only needs to peruse the forums to see "guest" under previous members names... People are leaving.
    True, people are leaving and have left. But not for the reasons that you have been suggesting...lately. Many, many of those "guests" were the result of a username database purge much earlier this year. If you ever happened to check, we had as many as 50000 members shown at the bottom of the forum page but in reality there were far fewer actual MOA members. Due to a variety of reasons, usernames kept getting added, people would stay a year or so and then never come back...stopped paying their dues.

    So a process was undertaken to delete many of these usernames. A large number of these usernames were deleted from the database had never posted and hadn't even visited the forum in more than 5 years. Many were no longer MOA members. The tougher part of the process was deleting usernames for former users who had significant contribution during their stay here on the forum. With good content, deleting them could create gaps in the threads resulting in confusion. So usernames became guests so that the content would remain in the forum for future reference. Still another group of usernames were "expired" because they were only slightly over their MOA membership dates and this gave them an opportunity to reconsider whether they wanted to remain members and get their original username, along with their avatar and personal information, back for continued use in the forum.

    So, yes people leave...people come and go for many reasons. I've tried to explain why you might an encounter a "guest" with a post in the forum.
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    So when can we expect the flea market?

    After reading all of the post's from the moderators. When can we the members expect the flea market to be up and running correctly?

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    Ted Moyer is the one controlling the opening and release of the new Flea Market. You can contact him at ted@bmwmoa.org.
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