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BMW Motorrad Advisory: Stop Riding Your 2014 R1200RT

There are some wild ideas in this thread...

I kept my bike, had 10 weeks of down time (with two other bikes to ride), got paid $2,500. That's a RDL saddle and a year of payments, and I've been back on my bike for about a month now. :clap Win, win!

On the other hand:

Some folks sold their bike back, got their money less 1% per 1K miles back, and then turned around and bought the same bike back for $2K less than they paid originally, while not qualifying for the NAV/$800 incentive. Time wasted, waited longer to get their bike back, and paid a higher (used) APR if financed. Lose, lose.

Some folks sold their bike back, got their money less 1% per 1K miles back, and made a deposit on a '15 with the same configuration which with the price increase to MSRP, metallic paint, and no option but to take the keyless ride in the first several allocations of '15's are paying $555 more, and waiting several months longer to put a ride under them. If they think they made out on depreciation, they are mistaken. The average difference in NADA trade values between model years for 2011-2013 models is only about $325 a year... and they are going a few more months without a bike. Lose, lose.

Some folks bailed out of deposits on '14's and had them moved to '15's. These folks are paying essentially $1,355 more for the same bike (price increases, no NAV/$800 incentive), and are going without a bike for several months longer. Lose, lose. The folks that took the buy back and made deposits on '15's come out even a little further behind based on mileage, and the possibility of increased APR's.

On the other hand:

The folks who hadn't bought a new RT yet and waited to see how the trade/buy back deals shook out made out VERY WELL. The average sale price is less $2K of MSRP, + the NAV/$800 incentive, and new bike APR's on the trades (used APR's for buy backs). On a loaded RT, assuming an average sales tax of 6% on a bike that has < 1K miles and the first service done, they saved over $3K. And, they are already riding.

Seems the real equity presented itself, in several ways, to those who were patient and didn't try to play the system... IMHO.
 
It depends on the situation. Had I been fooling to buy this first year (any first year model), if I couldn't get a loaner, I'd have a choice to make: Continue riding the bike and have them call me when the part comes in or get my money back. It wouldn't be playing the game, but because my bike is my primary transport and I don't have multiple bikes. The reason I wouldn't wait is because I need a bike and if BMW or the dealer can't make it right, then I'd have to consider another path. You also assume that someone would only buy another BMW. It's not the only option.


RYD1WD said:
There are some wild ideas in this thread...

I kept my bike, had 10 weeks of down time (with two other bikes to ride), got paid $2,500. That's a RDL saddle and a year of payments, and I've been back on my bike for about a month now. :clap Win, win!

On the other hand:

Some folks sold their bike back, got their money less 1% per 1K miles back, and then turned around and bought the same bike back for $2K less than they paid originally, while not qualifying for the NAV/$800 incentive. Time wasted, waited longer to get their bike back, and paid a higher (used) APR if financed. Lose, lose.

Some folks sold their bike back, got their money less 1% per 1K miles back, and made a deposit on a '15 with the same configuration which with the price increase to MSRP, metallic paint, and no option but to take the keyless ride in the first several allocations of '15's are paying $555 more, and waiting several months longer to put a ride under them. If they think they made out on depreciation, they are mistaken. The average difference in NADA trade values between model years for 2011-2013 models is only about $325 a year... and they are going a few more months without a bike. Lose, lose.

Some folks bailed out of deposits on '14's and had them moved to '15's. These folks are paying essentially $1,355 more for the same bike (price increases, no NAV/$800 incentive), and are going without a bike for several months longer. Lose, lose. The folks that took the buy back and made deposits on '15's come out even a little further behind based on mileage, and the possibility of increased APR's.

On the other hand:

The folks who hadn't bought a new RT yet and waited to see how the trade/buy back deals shook out made out VERY WELL. The average sale price is less $2K of MSRP, + the NAV/$800 incentive, and new bike APR's on the trades (used APR's for buy backs). On a loaded RT, assuming an average sales tax of 6% on a bike that has < 1K miles and the first service done, they saved over $3K. And, they are already riding.

Seems the real equity presented itself, in several ways, to those who were patient and didn't try to play the system... IMHO.
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ponch1 said:
You also assume that someone would only buy another BMW. It's not the only option.
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:huh Uh, really? I very specifically addressed an isolated sub group that made choices to end up with an RT in the end, by various paths. Are we reading the same post?
:scratch
 
RYD1WD said:
:huh Uh, really? I very specifically addressed an isolated sub group that made choices to end up with an RT in the end, by various paths. Are we reading the same post?
:scratch
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I read it more of pat on the back you gave yourself because you think you made the best possible decision that anyone could make. Call it self-congratulatory or may be insufferably pleased with yourself.
 
RYD1WD said:
There are some wild ideas in this thread...

I kept my bike, had 10 weeks of down time (with two other bikes to ride), got paid $2,500. That's a RDL saddle and a year of payments, and I've been back on my bike for about a month now. :clap Win, win!

On the other hand:

Some folks sold their bike back, got their money less 1% per 1K miles back, and then turned around and bought the same bike back for $2K less than they paid originally, while not qualifying for the NAV/$800 incentive. Time wasted, waited longer to get their bike back, and paid a higher (used) APR if financed. Lose, lose.

Some folks sold their bike back, got their money less 1% per 1K miles back, and made a deposit on a '15 with the same configuration which with the price increase to MSRP, metallic paint, and no option but to take the keyless ride in the first several allocations of '15's are paying $555 more, and waiting several months longer to put a ride under them. If they think they made out on depreciation, they are mistaken. The average difference in NADA trade values between model years for 2011-2013 models is only about $325 a year... and they are going a few more months without a bike. Lose, lose.

Some folks bailed out of deposits on '14's and had them moved to '15's. These folks are paying essentially $1,355 more for the same bike (price increases, no NAV/$800 incentive), and are going without a bike for several months longer. Lose, lose. The folks that took the buy back and made deposits on '15's come out even a little further behind based on mileage, and the possibility of increased APR's.

On the other hand:

The folks who hadn't bought a new RT yet and waited to see how the trade/buy back deals shook out made out VERY WELL. The average sale price is less $2K of MSRP, + the NAV/$800 incentive, and new bike APR's on the trades (used APR's for buy backs). On a loaded RT, assuming an average sales tax of 6% on a bike that has < 1K miles and the first service done, they saved over $3K. And, they are already riding.

Seems the real equity presented itself, in several ways, to those who were patient and didn't try to play the system... IMHO.
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Not sure where you got your information, but I can tell you it isn't true in at least one situation. How about buying a new '14 with a $500.00 discount and then selling it back to BMW for exactly what you paid for it...(there is no discounting for mileage by the retail consumer, per BMW's guides). Then buying the same bike back for $5,000 less then original purchase price. That's what happened and very possible under the formula BMW has supplied their dealers on these bikes. They are being handled at demo formulas, which gives dealers 25% discount off the MSRP (minus freight charge). And bike was back to buyer by 9/2/14...much sooner than many others got their's. This isn't a passed along story, this is an experience...though not a planned one.
 
RYD1WD said:
There are some wild ideas in this thread...

I kept my bike, had 10 weeks of down time (with two other bikes to ride), got paid $2,500. That's a RDL saddle and a year of payments, and I've been back on my bike for about a month now. :clap Win, win!

On the other hand:

Some folks sold their bike back, got their money less 1% per 1K miles back, and then turned around and bought the same bike back for $2K less than they paid originally, while not qualifying for the NAV/$800 incentive. Time wasted, waited longer to get their bike back, and paid a higher (used) APR if financed. Lose, lose.

Some folks sold their bike back, got their money less 1% per 1K miles back, and made a deposit on a '15 with the same configuration which with the price increase to MSRP, metallic paint, and no option but to take the keyless ride in the first several allocations of '15's are paying $555 more, and waiting several months longer to put a ride under them. If they think they made out on depreciation, they are mistaken. The average difference in NADA trade values between model years for 2011-2013 models is only about $325 a year... and they are going a few more months without a bike. Lose, lose.

Some folks bailed out of deposits on '14's and had them moved to '15's. These folks are paying essentially $1,355 more for the same bike (price increases, no NAV/$800 incentive), and are going without a bike for several months longer. Lose, lose. The folks that took the buy back and made deposits on '15's come out even a little further behind based on mileage, and the possibility of increased APR's.

On the other hand:

The folks who hadn't bought a new RT yet and waited to see how the trade/buy back deals shook out made out VERY WELL. The average sale price is less $2K of MSRP, + the NAV/$800 incentive, and new bike APR's on the trades (used APR's for buy backs). On a loaded RT, assuming an average sales tax of 6% on a bike that has < 1K miles and the first service done, they saved over $3K. And, they are already riding.

Seems the real equity presented itself, in several ways, to those who were patient and didn't try to play the system... IMHO.
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Seems like this could have been written by an sales type person for a BMW dealer...saying in other words...."Hey, this is the product we have on hand, hurry and buy them up...because doing otherwise will cost you." Just maybe....huh?
 
Motodan said:
Seems like this could have been written by an sales type person for a BMW dealer...saying in other words...."Hey, this is the product we have on hand, hurry and buy them up...because doing otherwise will cost you." Just maybe....huh?
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The math speaks for itself regardless of who is involved...
 
RYD1WD said:
The math speaks for itself regardless of who is involved...
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That's if your math and more assumptions are correct and they aren't from a number of perspectives...some are overly extreme and others are just incorrect.

I'd question your basic statements, for one, $325.00 difference in trade value from a 2012, 2013 or 2014 MY unit? Come on, get real. If you really think, in two years, a 2012 with be worth $9.500 (as a relative figure) as trade value, a 2013 $9,825 and a '14 $10,150...you don't understand the market. Give the trading customer some credit here...quoting future values from a nonexistent edition it a stretch and even more of a stretch when it's from a book most dealers would say, "Hey, ya can't go by those books, they're meaningless." And there are many a credit worthy customer that can match a certain (best) interest rate on a "current" year model. Or when one uses an arbitrary discount number, it's meaningless, especially when dealers still have much more room to discount, being that he obtained the buyback units at demo prices. Plus, not sure how you think owners sold their bikes back to BMW and lost 1% for each 1,000 miles on the odometer? BMW wasn't doing that to people who did buybacks. Anyone who sold their bike back to BMW will tell you they got ALL of what they paid...I did. You also need to "price" each individuals' numerous other assorted variables used to guide their choice of options....each has a tangible value to the customer.

If you want to think you got a good deal, so be it. But don't attempt to discredit others' choices by stating yours is the only "not lose" choice, especially when it is built on "your" assumptions and not empirical data....covering a much broader spectrum of transactions.
 
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Motodan said:
That's if your math and more assumptions are correct and they aren't from a number of perspectives...some are overly extreme and others are just incorrect.

I'd question your basic statements, for one, $325.00 difference in trade value from a 2012, 2013 or 2014 MY unit? Come on, get real. If you really think, in two years, a 2012 with be worth $9.500 (as a relative figure) as trade value, a 2013 $9,825 and a '14 $10,150...you don't understand the market. Give the trading customer some credit here...quoting future values from a nonexistent edition it a stretch and even more of a stretch when it's from a book most dealers would say, "Hey, ya can't go by those books, they're meaningless." And there are many a credit worthy customer that can match a certain (best) interest rate on a "current" year model. Or when one uses an arbitrary discount number, it's meaningless, especially when dealers still have much more room to discount, being that he obtained the buyback units at demo prices. Plus, not sure how you think owners sold their bikes back to BMW and lost 1% for each 1,000 miles on the odometer? BMW wasn't doing that to people who did buybacks. Anyone who sold their bike back to BMW will tell you they got ALL of what they paid...I did. You also need to "price" each individuals' numerous other assorted variables used to guide their choice of options....each has a tangible value to the customer.

If you want to think you got a good deal, so be it. But don't attempt to discredit others' choices by stating yours is the only "not lose" choice, especially when it is built on "your" assumptions and not empirical data....covering a much broader spectrum of transactions.
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+1
 
still waiting on my (allegedly) corrected, sold, ordered two weeks prior to the stop ride order to be shipped to my Tampa dealer from the "Processing Center" in New Jersey. Dealers are receiving new shocks for their bikes that are unsold but in stock and here I am, with a completely paid for unit, getting closer to the fall Florida riding season, with no motorcycle. The worse part is, when I call the "Recall Hotline", if I talk to three "customer satisfaction representatives", I invariably get three different answers to the When Will It Ship question and none of them are correct...................they seem to have been coached to make up BS answers to keep callers placated.
 
My bike was repaired on Saturday, August 30. I received my check on my birthday, September 15. I've put over 1000 commuter miles on it since then.
 
According to my dealer BMW STRONGLY said not to sell buy back bikes to the original buyer at a discount, plus the bike will have a branded title. Ok if you plan on keeping it a while.
 
hogwide@aol.com said:
According to my dealer BMW STRONGLY said not to sell buy back bikes to the original buyer at a discount, plus the bike will have a branded title. Ok if you plan on keeping it a while.
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Don't know about title part, yet, but apparently not all dealers listen to BMW on who to sell to and at what price.
 
Motodan said:
Don't know about title part, yet, but apparently not all dealers listen to BMW on who to sell to and at what price.
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That may be true. Just saying. Dealers that stay in line with suggested procedures get better treatment. Don't really care. I have my same bike works great, free title, $2500 in my pocket and I am a happy camper. Stress free and I got a loaner when I needed it and it didn't count against my money from BMW.
 
hogwide@aol.com said:
That may be true. Just saying. Dealers that stay in line with suggested procedures get better treatment. Don't really care. I have my same bike works great, free title, $2500 in my pocket and I am a happy camper. Stress free and I got a loaner when I needed it and it didn't count against my money from BMW.
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I interfaced with our BMW Rep for a few years, when with a dealer who did just about everything wrong...wrong sq footage, wrong carpet, wrong reporting protocol, wrong "punch-out" procedures and the only calls I ever got was: "Hey, how many units do you project selling next month?" They were bonuses on units sold in their area...everything else was just "noise".
 
amaufledu1 said:
still waiting on my (allegedly) corrected, sold, ordered two weeks prior to the stop ride order to be shipped to my Tampa dealer from the "Processing Center" in New Jersey. Dealers are receiving new shocks for their bikes that are unsold but in stock and here I am, with a completely paid for unit, getting closer to the fall Florida riding season, with no motorcycle. The worse part is, when I call the "Recall Hotline", if I talk to three "customer satisfaction representatives", I invariably get three different answers to the When Will It Ship question and none of them are correct...................they seem to have been coached to make up BS answers to keep callers placated.
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Well, I think that the end is in site, thanks to my dealer, not to BMW; again, ordered my R1200RT on May 10, 2014, Stop Riding Order was issued while my bike was in transit to the Processing Center in New Jersey, where it still sits, irreguardless of multiple "Customer Service" and "Resolution Specialist" promises that, "a batch of corrected shocks have been shipped to the Processing Center and a team of mechanics will be installing them and your bike will be shipped this week (08-20-14)", and "your unit has been repaired and we have arranged expedited shipping so you can take delivery by the weekend (09-04-14)" and many other BS answers/promises. As of yesterday, my bike was still unaccounted for and my dealer had received new 2014 units with corrected shocks for stock. My dealer rep e.mailed BMW and proposed that I be allowed to take delivery of one of his stock units and that the $2,500 rebate be transferred to that unit........................long story short, I am picking up a new R1200RT tomorrow still not knowing where the actual bike I ordered resides.

AMA in Florida, hopefully riding tomorrow pending degree of rain intensity
 
amaufledu1 said:
Well, I think that the end is in site, thanks to my dealer, not to BMW; again, ordered my R1200RT on May 10, 2014, Stop Riding Order was issued while my bike was in transit to the Processing Center in New Jersey, where it still sits, irreguardless of multiple "Customer Service" and "Resolution Specialist" promises that, "a batch of corrected shocks have been shipped to the Processing Center and a team of mechanics will be installing them and your bike will be shipped this week (08-20-14)", and "your unit has been repaired and we have arranged expedited shipping so you can take delivery by the weekend (09-04-14)" and many other BS answers/promises. As of yesterday, my bike was still unaccounted for and my dealer had received new 2014 units with corrected shocks for stock. My dealer rep e.mailed BMW and proposed that I be allowed to take delivery of one of his stock units and that the $2,500 rebate be transferred to that unit........................long story short, I am picking up a new R1200RT tomorrow still not knowing where the actual bike I ordered resides.

AMA in Florida, hopefully riding tomorrow pending degree of rain intensity
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Good for you. Perhaps they were expediting your unit and sent it by...Malaysian Air....;) ?
 
amaufledu1 said:
Well, I think that the end is in site, thanks to my dealer, not to BMW; again, ordered my R1200RT on May 10, 2014, Stop Riding Order was issued while my bike was in transit to the Processing Center in New Jersey, where it still sits, irreguardless of multiple "Customer Service" and "Resolution Specialist" promises that, "a batch of corrected shocks have been shipped to the Processing Center and a team of mechanics will be installing them and your bike will be shipped this week (08-20-14)", and "your unit has been repaired and we have arranged expedited shipping so you can take delivery by the weekend (09-04-14)" and many other BS answers/promises.
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Glad you finally got a bike, you are going to love it!

I think their CS hearts are in the right place but their heads seem to be firmly stuck up their anuses half the time.
 
And, the icing on the cake came Friday afternoon when the same "Resolution Specialist" that had talked to me Friday morning and had no idea what was happening with delivery of my RT called me and tried to take credit for having substituted another bike for me to purchase..................when, in actuality, my dealer arranged it himself!!
 
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