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    Quote Originally Posted by 20774 View Post
    So why don't you step up and start this process? I get the impression you're looking for someone else to run with this...so far no one really wants to take it on. Your the champion of this idea...do something about it. Contact the liaison and see where it goes.
    I am in the process of putting together a help wanted post in my main thread. This is to get help with ideas that have been building since considering a run for the Board in 2010 and putting my application in for the Executive Director position. It has a working title of Industry Monitor and is aimed at providing broad range of motorcycle industry information (including but not limited to things brought up in this thread) desired by a range of membership that has been discussed for several years and in a variety of other threads. It has nothing directly to do with a liaison but the system if adopted could help such a office in many ways. My hope has been to have this component of my overall plan ready for the fall Board meeting in St. Paul. (at least my assumption is it will be in St. Paul to allow the Board to visit the 2014 site).

    Frankly I have great concerns how an idea I have been nursing along will be received because of this campaign for an advocate position. It is not an end run to develop one. It has nothing directly to do with this type of position. I am not seeking help from anyone who will try to use it for that purpose.
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    So you say there is not interest in improving the forum?

    Quote Originally Posted by BC1100S View Post
    That may be your opinion. Not sure that I'd equate number of views with interest in improving the forum. To me, its kind of like watching a train wreck. Plus, most of the responses seem to belong to you and Billy Walker.

    Safe riding.
    It there is not any interest in improving the forum then what we have is a stagnant place for graying MOA members to discuss old times(I am already gray), and that is fine but sooner or later there will be fewer and fewer members if we don't keep up with the changing times.

    Who doesn't want to improve everything? BC1100S would you like to improve you riding skills, typing skills, exercise habits........

    Sure, we all should want to improve everything. Should BMW have stopped with the airhead? I am sure it is great bike, but Motorrad would have died if that would have been their last improvement.

    Forget about my ideas for improvement and come up with your on ideas.

    See if you can figure out what quote means and who first said it.

    "You are free to choose, but you are not free to not choose, and you are not free to choose the consequences of your choice"

    Let's all try to think outside the box. Forget that espressoforyou has ever posted anything(don't make it about your dislike of me) and think of ways that the MOA and the forum can help it members share information about their bikes when facing repeated repair issues or information about service bulletins, direct contact information to BMW NA, among other stuff.

    Thanks for your help BC1100s, I look forward to reading your suggestions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by espressoforyou View Post
    See if you can figure out what quote means and who first said it.

    "You are free to choose, but you are not free to not choose, and you are not free to choose the consequences of your choice"
    This is shown to be a universal paradox. And a paradox is defined as "...an argument that produces an inconsistency, typically within logic or common sense." That perfectly defines where we're at...people are trying to use common sense and we're getting no where.

    Quote Originally Posted by espressoforyou View Post
    Let's all try to think outside the box. Forget that espressoforyou has ever posted anything(don't make it about your dislike of me) and think of ways that the MOA and the forum can help it members share information about their bikes when facing repeated repair issues or information about service bulletins, direct contact information to BMW NA, among other stuff.
    This has been a singular quest by you...very few people seem to be in your shoes or have been in your shoes. Even while you're trying to think outside the box, you're still foucsed on your needs. This issue of yours is very small relative to all that is BMW motorcycle and the MOA...IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by espressoforyou View Post
    The thread "How to improve the forum" is the most viewed and replied thread on the Motorrad page in the last four months with 191 replies and 5417 views. So there is interest in improving the forum. Who doesn't want and try to improve something?

    Several well thought of members such as Paul Glaves have suggested that the consumer liaison be a more vocal and public position:

    Paul Glaves said the following:

    "BMW MOA has a volunteer advocate - called the Consumer Liaison. This is new to neither BMW MOA nor the several threads swirling about. But that fact keeps being overlooked. So is the Consumer Liaison, by members with issues with vendors, dealers, or BMW.

    I believe there should be a "regular" column in the Owners News that reports the activities of the Consumer Liaison and the issues that he/she has dealt with. Whether "regular" means quarterly or monthly or whatever depends on the level of activity, use, and interest by the members.

    This would have two possible affects with two distinct advantages. First, the possibility of regular publicity might have some modest effect on how folks cooperate and compromise. I do understand that often confidentiality is important. but issues can be described in generalities when necessary. More importantly however, every member would at least have the opportunity of being reminded that such a person as the Consumer Liaison exists and could be of help to a member.

    It is my considered opinion that when issues arise it is important to address them at the earliest possible moment. The next day is often not too soon. The fact that BMW MOA has a person who might be able to help ought to be well publicized and in the forefront of folks minds when they believe they have a problem. A regular column in the ON would provide an opportunity for folks to know this much better than a name and phone number with a somewhat obscure title on the staff listing in the magazine."

    So there is interest in improving the forum and the MOA. Maybe the advocate position is not the right idea at this time but a more visible consumer liaison with a data base of service bulletins, recall and repair issue seems to have some interest.
    Randy, if I may:

    You're beating this thing to death and once dead you're continuing on and on. A suggestion from someone who supported the advocate meaning me. Lay off; the club is not interested. The poll is proof positive unless you feel it hasn't gone on long enough. If you feel more time is necessary hold back on your posts for whatever time you feel is appropriate until you can confidently state "we" have either won or lost. But enough is really enough.

    Trust me a Consumer Liaison, a BMW Liaison, a Super Liaison and a Super Duper Liaison will NOT be able to break thru to NA. I've dealt with them and they are useless. Sure maybe BMW throws them a bone once in awhile but at the end of the day it is a total waste of time. The only way a large corporation listens is with massive negative publicity and that is never assured of either. One or 2 or 50 people are not going to change the ethics of a BMW-type corporation.

    Confidentiality is typically not important UNLESS you are hiding something from others. This describing things in generalities is a non-starter. Please just realize this is the end of the road and kick back and catch a buzz or whatever it is you're into. Both of us tried and we lost. So get over it and relax. Maybe approach the subject yet again in 18 or 24 months or whatever you feel is appropriate. Your continued postings are torturing people and that is not right even if you happen to be right. They have a right to their opinions. Please respect that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC1100S View Post
    That may be your opinion. Not sure that I'd equate number of views with interest in improving the forum. To me, its kind of like watching a train wreck. Plus, most of the responses seem to belong to you and Billy Walker.

    Safe riding.
    FWIW, I tend to read what catches my eye, & comment where I can contribute or entertain myself. I mostly don't read(view) stuff that I have no interest in, at least not, over & over as this thread. I,ve seen it so far as a quite imperfect effort(this & that comment intended) toward what might just be of benefit to more than a few members.It's high time for the MOA liaison to have a write up in ON, since "here" it seems to be an "issue" with several persons? No, I'm not taking shots at that person, just the job description they hold. I do agree that he thread title is off the mark, the ideas are closer to a real need indeed.
    Kudos to the moderator for allowing a bit of "raspiness" to go on here. I can see some light down there...
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