bikerfish1100
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same here. there's go that theory.
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another accident
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same here. there's go that theory.
AKsuited
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If I had a choice, I'd buy a white bike. I agree with police agencies who prefer white fairings on their bikes for visibility.
When I bought my RT, there were 3 available on the showroom floor, a charcoal gray, a dark blue, and a silver. I chose the silver because I thought it would be more visible than the other two. I'd say the study would agree with that choice.
My wife bought a dark gray car. I encourage her to run her headlights to make it more visible in traffic.
Harry
When I bought my RT, there were 3 available on the showroom floor, a charcoal gray, a dark blue, and a silver. I chose the silver because I thought it would be more visible than the other two. I'd say the study would agree with that choice.
My wife bought a dark gray car. I encourage her to run her headlights to make it more visible in traffic.
Harry
Another thought-provoking MC crash
Quote from August 29 local paper: "A Lower Mainland man died in a crash on Westside Road Monday.
A 30-year-old Surrey man was driving a motorcycle southbound in the Fintry area at 5:52 p.m. when he crossed the centre line and collided head-on with a northbound SUV.
'The motorcycle driver was thrown from the bike and suffered fatal injuries upon impact,' said Const. Kris Clark, with the RCMP.'
'According to witnesses, the motorcyclist was speeding, passing vehicles illegally and crossed the centre line into oncoming traffic.'
'The man was also found to be prohibited from driving and was not wearing an approved helmet.'
No charges are anticipated against the driver of the SUV and investigators continue to assist the coroner in his investigation,' said Clark."
This road is close to home and I know it well, as do many other riders. Call it "The Dragon" of the north Okanagan: narrow, lots of curves, few places to safely pass. Even at sane speeds it is the quickest route from my home to south of Kelowna, avoiding two cities. The real dangers for riders are deer, and other riders who treat it as a personal race course. Every year there are rider deaths on this road and I expect the above account is more typical than a deer collision.
These roads ARE fun, but they are also dangerous. Just glad that idiot killed himself hitting a SUV rather than me on my bike. You may want to re-think when you ride this type of road to avoid not only the motorhomes but also your more idiotic fellow riders.
Quote from August 29 local paper: "A Lower Mainland man died in a crash on Westside Road Monday.
A 30-year-old Surrey man was driving a motorcycle southbound in the Fintry area at 5:52 p.m. when he crossed the centre line and collided head-on with a northbound SUV.
'The motorcycle driver was thrown from the bike and suffered fatal injuries upon impact,' said Const. Kris Clark, with the RCMP.'
'According to witnesses, the motorcyclist was speeding, passing vehicles illegally and crossed the centre line into oncoming traffic.'
'The man was also found to be prohibited from driving and was not wearing an approved helmet.'
No charges are anticipated against the driver of the SUV and investigators continue to assist the coroner in his investigation,' said Clark."
This road is close to home and I know it well, as do many other riders. Call it "The Dragon" of the north Okanagan: narrow, lots of curves, few places to safely pass. Even at sane speeds it is the quickest route from my home to south of Kelowna, avoiding two cities. The real dangers for riders are deer, and other riders who treat it as a personal race course. Every year there are rider deaths on this road and I expect the above account is more typical than a deer collision.
These roads ARE fun, but they are also dangerous. Just glad that idiot killed himself hitting a SUV rather than me on my bike. You may want to re-think when you ride this type of road to avoid not only the motorhomes but also your more idiotic fellow riders.
I am always aware of when I pass the point of no return. The point where a cage can get you and you will not have any way to avoid it. I try to make that time as short as possible. It always exists.
Godspeed to your friend, good thoughts for his survivors, including yourself. May his bike never need tires, maintenance where he is now. Oh, and no inattentive drivers.
Rod
Godspeed to your friend, good thoughts for his survivors, including yourself. May his bike never need tires, maintenance where he is now. Oh, and no inattentive drivers.
Rod
sedanman
neanderssance man
I think the "everything that happens to me is my fault" mentality is a good mindset to be in even though there ARE situations we cannot predict or prevent. Attitude has a major influence in the success rate of our daily rides. I was talking with a few guys at work about the "I had to lay the bike down" comment we hear too often. We were stressing to a new rider that the chance of a crash is a far better option than the guarantee of one (laying the bike down). Just two days later the new rider was faced with a surprise that resulted in him sliding with the rear wheel locked ( new rider not a lot of experience). He told us that our words ran through his head and he never thought about anything other finding a way out. Crashing was simply not one of the choices. He stuck to staying on the brake and riding the slide to find an opening and avoided the crash. Not saying it's possible every time but mindset does make a difference.
pglaves
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And most motor officers wear half helmets, unpadded trousers, short sleeve shirts, etc for riding gear.
I doubt the color choice of the bikes had much to do with visibility. But, now in Germany and the Netherlands ...
Well said, thanks
ANDYVH
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What I said earlier is not this, "there are no accidents and that all situations can be avoided."
I did not say that ALL situations can be avoided, but I DO feel that MOST can be avoided. And by MOST I mean a high percentage.
I DO feel there are very few real "accidents", and that most situations are crashes. I say this, because it speaks to the "attitude" we have about riding.
I say these comments not as all encompassing, nor as applicable to EVERY situation we encounter. But I do feel that MOST instances we encounter are far more in our control than simply accepting it as "fate, its just going to happen someday, nothing you can do about it, whatever." Kind of like a racer, "seeing the race in his head" before going on the track, or a fighter pilot mentally playing out fight strategies before getting in the plane.
I see it more as a guiding attitude. A guiding principal. An attitude that puts the rider is the foremost position to do something about his/her riding, rather than simply accepting whatever comes along and then react to it. It is about proactive riding rather than reactive riding. I have found that taking on this attitude has done a lot to reduce my on road risks. Decades ago I would evaluate my riding season, good or bad, by the number of close calls I had. Finally it dawned on me, "why am I having close calls?" I changed my attitude and my riding habits, upgraded my skills, improved my visibility, honed my traffic strategies, and since then I have very very few instances that could be close calls, even though I now ride four times the miles annually that I used to ride.
Again this morning, a local add for Hupey and Abraham Law Officea, came on the TV, with claims of "aiding riders". Right there in the ad, is a quote for a "rider" that he "had to lay the bake down." What a line a crap, perpetrated on the unknowing, thinking "laying the bike down" is actually a conscious, split second choice and action taken as a defensive move? BULL! The rider screwed up and dumped his bike, period. Yet, these lawyers perpetrate this myth on TV ads.
But that "had to lay the bike down" also speaks to the rider attitude. He felt he had the skills to ride and react to traffic issues. My bet is he has never really studied his traffic strategy skills, never practiced braking or evasive maneuver skills. Rather than admit he is not the rider he thinks he is, he passes it off as "had to lay the bike down." My bet is he'd never use any of his insurance claim money to take some real riding courses that would help him to avoid laying the bike down in the first place.
I did not say that ALL situations can be avoided, but I DO feel that MOST can be avoided. And by MOST I mean a high percentage.
I DO feel there are very few real "accidents", and that most situations are crashes. I say this, because it speaks to the "attitude" we have about riding.
I say these comments not as all encompassing, nor as applicable to EVERY situation we encounter. But I do feel that MOST instances we encounter are far more in our control than simply accepting it as "fate, its just going to happen someday, nothing you can do about it, whatever." Kind of like a racer, "seeing the race in his head" before going on the track, or a fighter pilot mentally playing out fight strategies before getting in the plane.
I see it more as a guiding attitude. A guiding principal. An attitude that puts the rider is the foremost position to do something about his/her riding, rather than simply accepting whatever comes along and then react to it. It is about proactive riding rather than reactive riding. I have found that taking on this attitude has done a lot to reduce my on road risks. Decades ago I would evaluate my riding season, good or bad, by the number of close calls I had. Finally it dawned on me, "why am I having close calls?" I changed my attitude and my riding habits, upgraded my skills, improved my visibility, honed my traffic strategies, and since then I have very very few instances that could be close calls, even though I now ride four times the miles annually that I used to ride.
Again this morning, a local add for Hupey and Abraham Law Officea, came on the TV, with claims of "aiding riders". Right there in the ad, is a quote for a "rider" that he "had to lay the bake down." What a line a crap, perpetrated on the unknowing, thinking "laying the bike down" is actually a conscious, split second choice and action taken as a defensive move? BULL! The rider screwed up and dumped his bike, period. Yet, these lawyers perpetrate this myth on TV ads.
But that "had to lay the bike down" also speaks to the rider attitude. He felt he had the skills to ride and react to traffic issues. My bet is he has never really studied his traffic strategy skills, never practiced braking or evasive maneuver skills. Rather than admit he is not the rider he thinks he is, he passes it off as "had to lay the bike down." My bet is he'd never use any of his insurance claim money to take some real riding courses that would help him to avoid laying the bike down in the first place.
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