If you want to see the route start on TX 118 53 miles south of Alpine. Go north on 118 to Alpine, jog east and then north on 67 to Ft. Stockton. Take I-10 east to 190 to 29 to Llano.
Paul Glaves - "Big Bend", Texas U.S.A
"The greatest challenge to any thinker is stating the problem in a way that will allow a solution." - Bertrand Russell
Trying to belittle somebody else's abilities doesn't necessarily make your own abilities stand out.
The fact that you and the Glaves ride on roads that go straight without a turn for
137 miles and have a speed limit of 75 mph doesn't really represent what we can (achieve, not able) do. If I ride 350 miles of non-Interstate roads where I live (Midwest) I will have to go through , let's say, at least 15 towns where the speed limit is 35mph and where I have to stop at at least one or two traffic lights.
Not skill, though to safely ride, skill is involved.
Not belittling anyone. However, your earlier post questioned the honesty of Paul and Voni, and others that stay on the motorcycle longer than you do, was read by me as not believing what they posted.
Here's a clue - Voni Glaves has ridden BMWs more than a CERTIFIED million miles. According to your math - that's impossible in the time frame she did so.
She is not the only one that has reached that mileage on motorcycles.
I'm simply stating facts regarding YOUR ability to average reasonable distances in a day.
Has nothing to do with Iron Butt folks - though they do that on a daily basis. It has to do with nothing more than staying on the motorcycle and using efficient riding tactics. 20 or 30 minute fuel stops won't get you there. An hour eating and shooting the breeze with firends - won't get you there.
Further, your characterization of the roads we ride is simply inaccurate.
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Steve Aikens, Clovis, NM
BMW MOA #6218
Dangerous when you start throwing labels around, and putting people into boxes. Threads like this one do more damage to clubs like ours, in my opinion. People who would not call another out for being a liar in person, or would keep their misguided opinions about what other people do to themselves when at a rally, are willing to put it out there while hiding behind a computer screen. Kind of sad really.
2016 R1200RS, 2012 R1200GSA, 1975 R90/6 (x2)
Then, the discussion turned to average speeds for daily trips. Has really nothing to do with Voni.
You and Paul were characterizing the roads you travelled by stating the speed limits and average speeds you were able to achieve. Knowing our traffic engineers in the U.S., anything with a 70mph limit is straight! No turns! Most states in the Union do not have non-Interstate roads with a 70 mph speed limit.
Here is some other math:
The last time I rode a larger amount of miles in one day was when we returned from the MOA rally in Vermont. It was almost exactly 650 miles and it took us almost exactly 12 hours from Essex Junction to our home south of Cleveland, Ohio. The largest portion of the trip was Interstate and involved speeds of sometimes 80 mph. This is an average speed of 54 mph. Comparing that to Paul's stated average of 56mph on non-Interstate roads...
One iron butt challenge is to do 1000 miles in 24 hrs. That's a 42 mph average.
Now, why would this be such a great deal, if averaging 56 mph is a piece of cake?
This thread is for us low-mileage riders. As I pointed out, there are reasons I'll never get anywhere near the amount of miles others ride for the simple reason I can't get the time off from work, so I can't do many long rides. My commute is a half a mile each way. I really don't care that I can't compete.
Not all of us can be contenders for the mileage contest, and this thread is for those people.
It's great that some people have the whole summer off to ride, or the whole year. Mileage contests are slanted heavily towards those people.
My fleet: 2015 R1200GS, 2017 Toyota Prius Prime (plug-in hybrid)
"You can do good or you can do well. Sooner or later they make you choose." MI5
2009 F800GS 1994 TW200
I'm not sure why some people insist on measuring others against what works for them. We're all different. The world would be a pretty boring place if we were all the same.
We have more 70 MPH roads in rural areas than ever as they are going back and finally accounting for modern cars abilities to take a curve at more than 55MPH.
Most western states have raised the average speeds. I have noticed east of the Mississippi that is not the case.
And on the mileage thing...it's a friendly way to see what one's abilities are. No one should knock folks who choose to pile on the miles nor to those who do not. I wasn't retired when I had my highest year...commuted all but one day by bike. It was a 44 mile round trip, but averaged 80 instead as I took a scenic way home almost every day.
We ride a lot due to our climate, and enjoy every ride...heck, we even stop and smell the roses as we take a picture or two...we rarely hit Interstate...boring.
SABMWRA MOA Club#62's Flat Fixer/ current forum moderator
It's not the breaths you take, but the moments that take your breath away-D.Dillon/G. Strait
Ohio raised the speed limit on the Turnpike (I-80) to 70mph a few years ago. Due to the statistics saying that accidents increased by 5%, they will probably shoot down the current efforts to raise the speed limit on other interstate freeways from 65mph to 70mph. Mind you, in metroplitan areas, the speed limit on Interstates isn't even 65mph, but lower.
When a person who rides the average 10k miles or less try's to understand what motivates a LD rider, it is like a 10 mile a week jogger trying to understand a person who runs marathons repeatedly. Same sport; different levels of commitment.
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I never questioned the motivation. Even among ldr's the motivation may vary quite a bit.
If the remark "different level of commitment" is intended to suggest that riding long distance it is a higher commitment to motorcycling than short distance, I would object to that.
The person who owns a performance sportbike and attends 4 or 5 track days per year may show at least the same "level of commitment" if not higher than someone who wears out the center of his tires by riding in excess of 50,000 miles.