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Its all YOUR fault,.........first.

ANDYVH

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Got your attention perhaps?

That title is one of my beliefs about riding, "its all MY fault, first." Why? Because really I am the only one capable and responsible for making any changes in my riding attitude, riding habits, riding skills, riding choices, I am the FIRST one to make any headway towards improving my riding situation.

NOT other road users. NOT car drivers. NOT legislators. NOT laws. NOT ABATE or the AMA. ME FIRST. NOT law firms certainly. All they do is clean up the results and claim big cash prizes (for their clients?). US first as riders must do the most we can to always ride our best ride, first, before we can expect anyone else to really respect us and look out for us.

Here in Wisconsin, May is Motorcycle Awareness Month. Wisconsin is fairly aggressive and progressive when it comes to motorcycling. Perhaps because of Harley, Polaris, S&S and numerous other motorcycle companies here in the Badger state. Yet, every May I kinda cringe inside when I see the typical media public awareness "Watch for Motorcycles" announcements. Its become as regular and routine as the trees budding out new leaves in spring. Sure its a nice campaign, no one is offended, no one looks anyone in the eye saying, "yeah but, what are YOU personally doing about it?"

So I wonder. What's the attitude amongst us largely "sport touring" riders? Do we have a different attitude about riding and rider responsibility than the rest of our riding breathern? Personally, I'd like to see a focus on us the riding public, to challenge ourselves to take on the responsibility of reduced risks of riding FIRST on our selves. I have always felt, the crash itself (there are no "accidents") is WAY too late to do anything about the results. But, its all about what was done, what wasn't done, what could/should have been done, BEFORE the crash that makes all the difference. Avoidance is the goal, NOT expecting someone else to do it for us.
 
Very good point. I agree, in the end we're the only one's who can change anything about our own surviveability while riding. A riding philosophy that expects others to watch out for us makes about as much sense as expecting a deer to look both ways before they cross the road.
 
HA! I like that analogy! Being in a state FULL of deer, and a good many brain dead car drivers, how can any motorcycle rider expect the self serving public attitude to do anything to improve their riding environment?

I'm not saying we should ever forgive car drivers for their transgressions, unintentional though they may be, against us riders. I know for myself, I have made mistakes in traffic when in my car more so than on my bike. Quite often, when driving my car or pickup, I use it as a training opportunity to "see" myself on my bike out in traffic from the viewpoint of looking through a windshield, around a door post, in the rear view mirrors, over my blind spots, to give myslef the car driver perspective of me on my bike around them.

No, don't forgive the car drivers. But we need to be realistic about ourselves first. Are we REALLY good at traffic strategies, are we REALLY good in our riding skills, are we REALLY not at fault for putting ourselves in a position of fault, either unintentionally by simple complacence, or by ignorance of the situation. I simply do not accept for myself, the aspect of "suddenly the car turned left, " or "suddenly the car took my lane," or "suddenly the car pulled out." And for myself, I certainly do not accept "there was nothing I could do."

Oh yes, there are multitudes of things you can do, should have done, before you got to "suddenly."
 
Very good point. I agree, in the end we're the only one's who can change anything about our own surviveability while riding. A riding philosophy that expects others to watch out for us makes about as much sense as expecting a deer to look both ways before they cross the road.

I found this online.
You can do someting. :banghead

"From Kearneysville:

I live near a deer crossing and they keep getting hit. The county should move the deer crossing sign somewhere else. It is too dangerous for the deer to cross where it is now."
 
Very good point. A riding philosophy that expects others to watch out for us makes about as much sense as expecting a deer to look both ways before they cross the road.

Like that one didn't do last Saturday?:bolt Got my attention for sure:doh
 
I believe that those of us (on any brand) that do a considerable amount of riding, are constantly looking out for ourselves, because we have the most to lose when we don't. We are survivors.

My neighbour, who sometimes rides one or two thousand kilometres a year, has told me that he had to put a loud muffler on his bike because cars were constantly cutting him off. He considers that he has done something proactive to protect himself. I would not be surprised if many riders like him think similarly. Riding courses might help him and others much more than a noisy machine.
 
last year's training shirts.....

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Andy is spot on with where the emphasis must be if we are to reverse the ever-increasing number of motorcycle deaths in this nation.

While making yourself as personally protected as possible (ATGATT) is essential, and making your motorcycle as conspicous as technology and budgets permit, it's really your attitude that will impact the most.

Ride aware of your surroundings, get properly trained and keep getting re-trained, and take complete responsibility for your safety when riding.

Granted, we 'share' the road with other motor vehicles, but we also share the road with potholes, gravel, rain, animals, debris, etc. The fact that out of all of these examples, vehicles are operated by fellow humans perhaps makes them the most dangerous of the bunch.

Car drivers will make mistakes, do stupid things, and mother nature will always throw in the occasional curve ball, but the task of staying safe and getting home at night without damage or injury belongs to me and me alone. :nono
 
yes one is responsible for being aware of all conditions as you ride. which without question goes a long way at avoiding accidents.

but there are scenarios where there's really nothing you can do. like the recent rider down that got killed. a car turned left right in front of him. bike smashed into right side of car.

I can handle cars getting ready to pull out in front of me. by making sure they know I'm there by giving a horn blast.

amazing how many times drivers getting ready to pull out in traffic are looking the other way with a cell phone glued to their ear. when I give a horn blast, the look of amazement tells me NO way they knew I was coming.

ingrained from riding bicycles thousands of miles ... assume cars don't see you, unless proven otherwise.
 
Most of the time you can see a potential left-turner-in-front-of-you. I'd think "nothing you can" do seldom applies.
 
Thank you Ikris, you said exactly what I wanted to address. Its about attitude, and about what occurs BEFORE the crash. The comment made earlier, "but there are scenarios where there's really nothing you can do. like the recent rider down that got killed. a car turned left right in front of him. bike smashed into right side of car." I don't accept this as a "nothing you can do".

I agree that there are "some" instances where there is little a rider can do, a bridge suddenly failing, a crazed driver intent on causing harm. But the comment above about nothing to be done about the left turning car speaks to a general attitude of "acceptance" of conditions many riders feel are not in their control.

I feel, as we ride, we must constantly analyze traffic conditions, patterns, habits, of other road users, so we build an instinct about warnings and dangers. ANY car potentially turning left, even a hint of it, is a danger the rider MUST prepare for! If the rider doesn't prepare for that, it's the fault of the rider first, not the car driver. Watch the tires, they don't lie, if the tires are moving, prepare! Know your options! Know your abilities! Improve your skills! Improve your visibility! Improve your awareness of all the terrain/area factors that make you hard to see in traffic! These are things a rider CAN do before getting into situations. If the rider's attitude is one of acceptance that "things like this happen", or, "there's really nothing you can do", then the rider is eventually doomed to live out that scenario.

But, if the rider's attitutude is of "I am going to do all I can to avoid situations" and take it upon him/her self to be the best, ride the best, then the scenario is much better. I annually ride over three times the national average mileage for motorcycling, I ride a quiet bike, I ride in the upper midwest from March through November, so I ride in traffic more often than normal, in all conditions, yet I rarely have anything like a close call. Hmm,...I feel that is because of my attitude about my riding. Not the false belief that loud pipes make any difference, when actually that rider should look at HOW he is riding and really analyze WHY he has traffic issues. It takes some hard looks at yourself, to realize you as the rider is the main cause of the traffic issues.
 
Most of the time you can see a potential left-turner-in-front-of-you. I'd think "nothing you can" do seldom applies.

Thank you Ikris, you said exactly what I wanted to address. Its about attitude, and about what occurs BEFORE the crash. The comment made earlier, "but there are scenarios where there's really nothing you can do. like the recent rider down that got killed. a car turned left right in front of him. bike smashed into right side of car." I don't accept this as a "nothing you can do".

I agree that there are "some" instances where there is little a rider can do, a bridge suddenly failing, a crazed driver intent on causing harm. But the comment above about nothing to be done about the left turning car speaks to a general attitude of "acceptance" of conditions many riders feel are not in their control.

I feel, as we ride, we must constantly analyze traffic conditions, patterns, habits, of other road users, so we build an instinct about warnings and dangers. ANY car potentially turning left, even a hint of it, is a danger the rider MUST prepare for! If the rider doesn't prepare for that, it's the fault of the rider first, not the car driver. Watch the tires, they don't lie, if the tires are moving, prepare! Know your options! Know your abilities! Improve your skills! Improve your visibility! Improve your awareness of all the terrain/area factors that make you hard to see in traffic! These are things a rider CAN do before getting into situations. If the rider's attitude is one of acceptance that "things like this happen", or, "there's really nothing you can do", then the rider is eventually doomed to live out that scenario.

But, if the rider's attitutude is of "I am going to do all I can to avoid situations" and take it upon him/her self to be the best, ride the best, then the scenario is much better. I annually ride over three times the national average mileage for motorcycling, I ride a quiet bike, I ride in the upper midwest from March through November, so I ride in traffic more often than normal, in all conditions, yet I rarely have anything like a close call. Hmm,...I feel that is because of my attitude about my riding. Not the false belief that loud pipes make any difference, when actually that rider should look at HOW he is riding and really analyze WHY he has traffic issues. It takes some hard looks at yourself, to realize you as the rider is the main cause of the traffic issues.

yes rider awareness can and does prevent getting yourself into situations that could lead to accidents.

but there are situations where it's not possible to avoid unless one avoids riding completely.

let's say you are riding along at say 40mph on a two or four lane road. in right lane on left side of lane. watching all angles... giving a horn blast at anyone getting ready to pull out.

a driver turns left without slowing down by much, immediately in front of you. driver doesn't see you at all. you have next to zero time to react and slam into side of car.

now tell me how you can see that coming? cars turning left routinely do that exact maneuver.
don't get me wrong, this is not a routine occurrence and I'm not going to stop riding over it. as a matter of fact. the only reason it came up was reading about the latest rider down.
 
yes rider awareness can and does prevent getting yourself into situations that could lead to accidents.

but there are situations where it's not possible to avoid unless one avoids riding completely.

let's say you are riding along at say 40mph on a two or four lane road. in right lane on left side of lane. watching all angles... giving a horn blast at anyone getting ready to pull out.

a driver turns left without slowing down by much, immediately in front of you. driver doesn't see you at all. you have next to zero time to react and slam into side of car.

now tell me how you can see that coming? cars turning left routinely do that exact maneuver.
don't get me wrong, this is not a routine occurrence and I'm not going to stop riding over it. as a matter of fact. the only reason it came up was reading about the latest rider down.

You presume that any approaching vehicle, on anything other than a divided highway, may turn left across your path.

If you operate under that premise, you don't give up riding. What you do is "read the signs." Is the vehicle slowing down or posturing for a left turn? Where is the driver looking? Are you about to pass something that might be a logical destinatin for area motorists?

All kinds of clues out there, but number one is expect your path of travel to be violated.

Though I may have to deal with this soon, given that it's riding season again here in the midwest, it better not catch me by surprise - that's on me.

That's an essential element of what Andy VH is trying to communicate: don't simply ride and hope for the best - ride in such a mindset that you are proactively in tune with your surroundings and staying out of harm's way, rather than simply being reactive and dealing with 'issues.'
 
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PROACTIVE ASSERTIVENESS rather than REACTIONARY ACCEPTANCE

Thanks for the replies and I also appreciate the counterpoints, because it generates discussion and thinking of the riding process. Like Kevin said, don't just ride along expecting all to be great. Presume every other road user is a hazard till proven otherwise.

I know it sounds like I ride in constant peril, like a caged chicken with foxes all around trying to get in. But actually, in traffic I am very calm, but very aware, always. Always searching for clues leading to driver's actions. Happened last night. I'm in the RH lane after entering the three lane highway. Car just ahead in the left lane, kind of pacing my speed, slightly off center in the lane to the right. I held back to let things develop, sure enough the car moved quickly ahead of me into my lane, no blinker preceding the move.

For left turners, as you approach from the opposite direction, I also scan on my right for any reason that car may turn left, a driveway, alley, gas station, shop, and I presume (like Kevin said) an approaching car could turn left without notice. If if see a car approaching, signal or not, but kind of hugging the centerline or left side of their lane, ALERT! Get ready, slow maybe, hands/feet in position to act. I also consider the traffic load, heavy traffic means left turners will do it more quickly and aggressively, ALERT! Sun low at my back, shining in the driver's eyes, I'm not more than a shadow, ALERT! All sorts of clues apply.

The more you train your brain to these clues, the more natural your decision process becomes, you "sense" things that cause you to prepare. Knowing your "enemy" is one of your best defenses. Perfect? No. Never a mistake or miss? No. But I simply don't have close calls, and when I do I know I messed something up. That is the attitude part of riding we can all work at to reduce our risks, because no one else is gonna do it for us!
 
You presume that any approaching vehicle, on anything other than a divided highway, may turn left across your path.

If you operate under that premise, you don't give up riding. What you do is "read the signs." Is the vehicle slowing down or posturing for a left turn? Where is the driver looking? Are you about to pass something that might be a logical destinatin for area motorists?

All kinds of clues out there, but number one is expect your path of travel to be violated.

Though I may have to deal with this soon, given that it's riding season again here in the midwest, it better not catch me by surprise - that's on me.

That's an essential element of what Andy VH is trying to communicate: don't simply ride and hope for the best - ride in such a mindset that you are proactively in tune with your surroundings and staying out of harm's way, rather than simply being reactive and dealing with 'issues.'

yes that's correct... my presumption is driver of car doesn't see me and they can turn in front of me.

there's a point of no return anytime you cross possible paths. just so happens a car traveling at speed directly at you, turning at last moment can put you in a situation where it's not possible to react or foresee it's coming at you.

same for getting ready to pass someone ready to pull out. they get a horn blast from me. my assumption is driver doesn't see me, until proven otherwise.

there's a point where your path could cross with an incoming car. where there's no possible way to avoid. most all cars at a stop before they turn can be avoided by simply being aware of surroundings.

someone turning left in front of you at speed has the potential of giving the least amount of warning. again only reason this came up is latest rider down/killed. who appeared to be a VERY experienced rider.
 
Even though I agree with taking responsibility for your own actions. In the USA, you are never supposed to admit fault to any official third party. You can tell your friends it was your fault. You can accept it as your fault personally, but try to avoid admitting fault on record. By admitting fault in the USA, you expose yourself to extra litigation which may be more painful than the accident itself. :violin
 
I agree and thanks for another viewpoint. The responsibility, and the "fault" I refer to is a way to formulate an attitude of self preservation instead of falsely relying on others to do it for you. By saying, "my fault first" simply puts the responsibility on me to always ride my best ride.

In a court of law, or before an officer, or a witness for that matter, it becomes the facts of the results alone. If a car turned left in front of me and did not yield my right of way, the law determines who is at fault. I would regard my actions before the crash as part of my learning and attitude development, but the law of the road still applies.

Conversely, like mentioned earlier, some riders feel justified to put obnoxious loud pipes on their pipes as a veiled attempt to correct a problem, rather than to perhaps analyze why that car driver didn't see the rider. My bet is those loud pipe types rarely ever consider they may be following too close, not using effective lane placement, not making themselves more visible, not scanning/searching effectively, all manner of methods that I have found are highly effective, even on a quiet bike like a BMW.
 
... some riders feel justified to put obnoxious loud pipes on their pipes as a veiled attempt to correct a problem, rather than to perhaps analyze why that car driver didn't see the rider.

I don't like loud pipes either, but to be fair some riders righteously wear dayglow vests or yellow helmets as a "veiled attempt to correct a problem" too. Neither are as bright as a headlight. As Dr. Hurt wrote decades ago "I didn't see them" can apply to polices bikes with lights/strobes and siren working, too. The original premise here is the best solution.
 
I agree that it is my responsibility to ride safe. I righteously wear ATGATT with a dayglow vest, ride alert and defensively. I have a quiet airhead and a loud one. I like the loud one as it drowns out or matches other bikes running with straight pipes/headers and cars with subwoofers.

Mike Horne
76 R90/6
93 R100R Legend
 
here's a scary one for ya

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