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    ON articles on the web

    Ran across some ON articles on the web, go to Shiva's articles.
    why is it we can't do it online?
    http://www.bmwk1200s.com/ridefast.htm

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    Thanks for pointing that out. Hmmm makes me wonder. Although I do know that Shiva holds the copyrights for his articles and our older agreement did not allow BMWMOA to post them on the web. But I do agree that it is interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark11LT
    Ran across some ON articles on the web, go to Shiva's articles.
    why is it we can't do it online?
    http://www.bmwk1200s.com/ridefast.htm
    Once our site is split between members and guests, we'll start using the publication rights we have been collecting for articles contrubuted to the ON. Shiva contributes his material so still owns it and can publish it as he wishes.

    We have a great big list of cool things to do with our web site (in stages) once we have membership validated access. Article archives, tech article indexs, ride databases, GPS coordinates, etc.
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    I would suggest that we don't just scan the magazine pages.

    Can I have a section for "Whats Mark11Lt doing right now" for my fanclub?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark11LT
    I would suggest that we don't just scan the magazine pages.

    Can I have a section for "Whats Mark11Lt doing right now" for my fanclub?
    Only if you install a web cam.
    Greg Feeler
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    Mark's trouble making checklist for today:
    1. Go to church smelling like beer.
    2. Argue with wife about new bike.
    3. make a mess in the house while wife from above is working, blame 4 year old daughter.
    4. Talk to buddy on phone, insult his bike, and make rude comments about St. Patty's day.
    5. Sneak some cheese popcorn, after being told I don't need to eat any.
    6. write scathing letter to Cheese popcorn people about the lack of cheese on 43% of the kernels
    7. Leave cheese popcorn finger prints on keyboard.
    8. Stir up trouble on the net.

    day ain't over yet,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark11LT
    Mark's trouble making checklist for today:
    1. Go to church smelling like beer.
    2. Argue with wife about new bike.
    3. make a mess in the house while wife from above is working, blame 4 year old daughter.
    4. Talk to buddy on phone, insult his bike, and make rude comments about St. Patty's day.
    5. Sneak some cheese popcorn, after being told I don't need to eat any.
    6. write scathing letter to Cheese popcorn people about the lack of cheese on 43% of the kernels
    7. Leave cheese popcorn finger prints on keyboard.
    8. Stir up trouble on the net.

    day ain't over yet,

    Day may not be over, but that's a good list so far.
    Greg Feeler
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    1972 R75/5, 1990 K75, 1990 K1, 1992 K75S, 2003 K1200RS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark11LT
    Mark's trouble making checklist for today:

    3. make a mess in the house while wife from above is working, blame 4 year old daughter.
    Now I know why people have kids! It is to have someone to blame stuff on


    So what is on the list for today?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Feeler
    Shiva contributes his material so still owns it and can publish it as he wishes.
    I did the same thing with my article, I waited for it to be published (which might have been the hardest part) then I put it up on my website.
    -=Brad

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    been pretty slow today so far, a few lowlights....
    1. harrassed a few people at work, in regards to hunting and fishing abilities.
    2. attempted to convince a female ex-coworker via e-mail that she still is in love with me and not her current fiance, and that her potential marriage is doomed
    3. Called my buddy to have him call and leave a message at home that he thinks his old GS is about to be bought, and I better get off the dime and grab it.
    4. forgot my daughter fav. blankie at day care and also grabbed some other kids artwork/info sheets

    I'm getting sick (thanks Manic) and I'm a little slow today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Feeler
    Once our site is split between members and guests, we'll start using the publication rights we have been collecting for articles contrubuted to the ON. Shiva contributes his material so still owns it and can publish it as he wishes.

    We have a great big list of cool things to do with our web site (in stages) once we have membership validated access. Article archives, tech article indexs, ride databases, GPS coordinates, etc.
    is there a schedule for this great big list? seems like youve been telling us "real soon" for a long time.

    here's a fun thing to do on a project: tell us the date of the milestone for the split, and tell us the gating items - what is in the way (specifically) of the mag showing up online? and who exactly is responsible for these items. i live in a fantasy world and in my little world i call this accountability. who is getting what done and when will they have it done?

    i have this nagging fear that there are all these "mother may i?" milestones in the form of votes from the board, etc, and they are planned for 90 days time, and [insert reason, not results here] going on.

    will we see something like this?

    thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by username
    is there a schedule for this great big list? seems like youve been telling us "real soon" for a long time.
    Well, not just me - the rest of the "web team" as well. But good point and good question. I'll try to explain what's going on - at least my part of it.


    here's a fun thing to do on a project: tell us the date of the milestone for the split, and tell us the gating items - what is in the way (specifically) of the mag showing up online? and who exactly is responsible for these items. i live in a fantasy world and in my little world i call this accountability. who is getting what done and when will they have it done?
    Those are great ideas - I use them every day in my day job. I'm the I.T. manager for a national company and the ONLY way I can get things done and keep my management happy is that way. However... in a volunteer organization like the 'MOA it doesn't work quite the same way.

    In making improvements to the web site the Board has paid for third party software and professional services when we had to, but we have a tradiition of member volunteer effort on our activities. That's what we are doing right now on the web site. That's always open to review, but we do have a good team of pretty savy folks and the price is right.

    i have this nagging fear that there are all these "mother may i?" milestones in the form of votes from the board, etc, and they are planned for 90 days time, and [insert reason, not results here] going on.
    Although the Board has to approve certain things - that's their job - the outline for the web site upgrades have been approved in general for over a year. It's really and only a matter of working through the technical details.

    Remember, last year's International Rally was the first time we were able to have folks register securely on-line, or maintaine their memberships, or buy Country Store goods. The software implemented to make that all possible took much longer than hoped to get running right. And, just about the time we got it running ok last fall, there was a major upgrade. That held back work from the Web Tech Team on developing a "unified" login between the secure area and the forum and new member's only areas we have planned. I'm involved with content, so it's the Tech Team folks who can answer for where that project is right now, but I know there is work being done.

    will we see something like this?

    thanks!
    The best answer I can give for now is "over the next year". That is supposed to leave us some wiggle room for problems or delays, and also implies phased in enhancements. The plan is to use the web site for what web sites are good for and the print for what print is good for. Each will compliment the other in ways that make them both stonger. The point is to have reasons for the members to look at both media and to make them both better through a process of "extending" one into the other. Considering that the 'MOA has waited over 32 years to get to this point, a year of media coordination is pretty fast, and it lets us "measure twice and cut once" as we implement new features. Hope that answers your questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Feeler
    The plan is to use the web site for what web sites are good for and the print for what print is good for.
    Whose opinion are we using to determine what's good? What if some members wants all the information they pay for to be delivered on-line? What if other members don't care if something has been seen on our web site?

    Each will compliment the other in ways that make them both stonger. The point is to have reasons for the members to look at both media and to make them both better through a process of "extending" one into the other.
    This is part of the equation. There was a meeting held nearly three years ago to effect this synergy.

    The other part of the question involves the process by which the information that comes into the BMW MOA gets turned into value-added (relevant) content. We've heard the concept of "news" and "resources"... but channeling all news through a single filter not only limits the perspective on the news, it reduces the news' community value by limiting the number of perspectives that can be shared.

    Could I please request another experiment in content creation?

    When the press kit for the R1200GS HP becomes available, could we please post it to our web site with no editing... raw PR: pictures and prose... and then let members discuss their opinions about the bike's implications here on the forum? Then randomly select a person to edit those discussions into an article for the BMW ON?

    This is an excellent example of "extending" one medium into another, and I think that an article full of individual members opinions would be a lot more interesting to read than an edited press release.

    If the information shows up on the forum when it becomes available from BMW, and isn't embargoed until it appears in the magazine, then the people here on the forum could easily meet any print deadlines.

    This might be a good way to bridge the gap until we get to whenever we're going to be "next year."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visian
    If the information shows up on the forum when it becomes available from BMW, and isn't embargoed until it appears in the magazine, then the people here on the forum could easily meet any print deadlines.
    I'm sorry but that is incredibly naive. Information about new models is considered a priority and placed into the magazine as soon as it arrives (usually past deadline).

    A concise edited article about people's reaction to a new model would be interesting, though (and a supplement to the "Rider to Rider" letters). Why don't you take the helm and make it happen with the R1200GS-HP? The press kit and photos will be available on the internet from a number of sources as soon as they are available and there is already a lively debate about each new model on this forum.

    I'm sure the web team plans to have text and photos on new models here in a members only section but as you suggest, why wait? You certainly could do it now.

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