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Using the above techniques I managed to go from 1971 to 2009 without a ticket. That's 38 years. ......
I usually wait for a scout to go by at a rate of speed I like, and then follow an appropriate distance behind. If the scout gets radared, I hit the brakes. This technique has worked well for me over the years, and I've saved dozens of tickets. I use the Escort 8500, but may get a Valentine as well.
But with so much laser out there now, if you're into ECM, you have to consider whether to install a jammer, and the problem is that you can't easily move them from vehicle to vehicle. Here's a link to a recent discussion of them on the Rennlist:
http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/993-forum/509738-any-993-owners-have-a-laser-jammer.html
So explain this:
On the Dragon, the TN HP will sit in a particular turnout blasting radar, and another THP will pull guys over and write them up. I get about a TWO FULL HAIRPIN notice when these guys are sitting there.
I agree detectors aren't what they used to be, but don't even tell me they don't give you enough alert in specific situations.
Also, if you ride in VA and some other states, carry an old no good detector with you. I was pulled over and instead of a ticket, the cop said he'd confiscate the detector, my choice. I had an old Passport that I gave him. One of my favorite stories....
Running radar is as much about getting traffic to slow down as issuing tickets.
Glad you enjoyed it.OK Deilenberger - you got me - I can barely type, I'm chuckling so hard. You made my morning!
Seriously, about 90% of what you wrote is an excellent perspective on this topic (and it's only a topic - no arguing needs to occur here - just friendly banter).
But the 'logic' of "it's OK to break the laws that aren't morally wrong" takes rationalization to a stratospheric level.
Over my career, I interacted with about 5,000 new people every year, and have kept a sort of mental glossary of rationalizations for illegal behavior. But yours is absolutely precious, and instantly breaks into the TOP FIVE.
"Have a nice day, and drive safely now."
We call them "rabbits". When we rode separate bikes, we'd hold up two fingers like a peace sign and wiggle the fingers and point to the rabbit. That meant "let's follow the rabbit and let him/her take the ticket".
I'd give them a quarter mile of space and see what happened.
So explain this:
On the Dragon, the TN HP will sit in a particular turnout blasting radar, and another THP will pull guys over and write them up. I get about a TWO FULL HAIRPIN notice when these guys are sitting there.
I agree detectors aren't what they used to be, but don't even tell me they don't give you enough alert in specific situations.
Also, if you ride in VA and some other states, carry an old no good detector with you. I was pulled over and instead of a ticket, the cop said he'd confiscate the detector, my choice. I had an old Passport that I gave him. One of my favorite stories....
Glad you enjoyed it.
The reason I mentioned that is some people do seem to think that it's morally wrong to speed.. that some greater being (who we can't discuss here) will frown on speeding. I suspect the greater being really couldn't care less. It's sorta get down off the high horse on speeding.
If you wanna speed - and do it safely - it's no skin off my nose. It's been shown time and time again - speed by itself isn't unsafe. Things like speeds not safe for the situation (too fast OR as shown by Eddie James tragic accident - too slow - or too great a difference in speed) are when speed becomes unsafe. Too fast a speed by itself isn't "unsafe" despite what the insurance companies and government revenuers* might say.
One thing I'd be interested in is your comments on the "respect" issue. This really opened some eyes at a club meeting a few years ago. The chap talking to us was a motorcyclist, and also the local prosecutor for about 10 different towns, handling LOTS of speeding ticket cases. He was at the meeting to discuss how to avoid getting them, and then how to minimize the impact of getting one. Very interesting topic and discussion.
* = I normally wouldn't use that phrase - but the pole-radar ticket a few weeks ago in WDC where it's VERY obvious if you visit their website they look at it as a means to help generate revenue made it rather obvious to me. Sorta like the red light cameras that were installed many places in the US with a much shortened yellow light cycle. Done for revenue, not safety (accident rates went UP - with being tailended the biggest increase as people slammed on their brakes to avoid being caught in the short yellow cycle. Being tailended on a bike is no fun, BTDT and don't wanna do it again.)
FWIW - the WDC website had absolutely nothing on how the stationary/unmanned/robot radar reduced accidents.. just how it increased revenue. Sorta telling eh?