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    Quote Originally Posted by DWR302 View Post
    KGT magic...........all I can say is go ahead and get one. But only if you really like the killer power and fantistic handling. I traded in my 08 RT on the K13GT. Took it back up to NC and hit the good roads, the Dragon, etc. that I had run on the RT.
    The RT was great but being a power freak I like the GT better. 3600 miles in a couple months and no problems. Like any piece of hardware, getting one with some warranty still on it is always a good idea.
    You're speaking the truth brother - loved the RT but the GT is just at a different level!
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    Roger that, Semper Fi.

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    I would have to actually see the Can lines on a bmw bike, but they don't need to be shielded when you have a 2 wire Can. That's why you have 2 wires.
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    Bus issues with other vehicles

    Not trying to hijack the thread, just thought I would add a little something regarding bus systems in newer vehicles.

    Friend has an '08 GMC Avalanche that lost the alternator in Ohio (We live near Chicago) late last year. The GMC dealer in Cleveland did not have the exact replacement in stock ($600.00 & 3 days) but did have an after-market version ($400.00) that supposedly was an exact match to the OEM. Friend had the after-market unit installed and drove home. He noticed problems with the electrical system about a month after replacing the alternator, but for months no one could pinpoint the problem. He had the car at the local GMC dealer (again) after the rear defogger did not work during a spring storm. Finally, a bright and detailed-oriented tech figured out the the after-market alternator was not putting out enough current; it was undersized.

    The bus system on the GMC would ration the current to the different systems on the truck (some kind of software hierarchy of needs?) depending on what was running. So even though the defogger circuit would show a voltage, the current to it was limited. However, there was enough current to run the windshield wipers and fan for the front window defroster. An older vehicle without the newer bus system would have probably pulled current from the battery as needed for all the operating electrical systems potentially draining the battery.

    The newer bus (CANbus or others) systems are not as robust or easy to work on as the older vehicle electrical systems. Unless the person working on the electrical system has full knowledge of the bus and its limitations, it could be easy to mess things up.

    Now back to our regular programming........

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    "Maybe" to all that. From what I am reading, I would more suspect that the problem was just the undersize alternator. I don't think the bus will regulate, for example, how much current is or isn't going to go to a component. It will switch it on or off, that's all. With a smaller alternator, it just didn't have the jolts to let the defogger work very well, those things really suck the juice, which is usually why they only work for 10 or 15 minutes (even on the older cars), then shut themselves off. The wiper motor and blower motor, other than the spike you get when you turn them on, don't take as much amps to operate. Starter motor, headlights, horn, electric defogger grids, those are the big electric consumers. If the guy was in a storm and the headlights and wipers are on, along with the windshield defogger (which usually makes the AC operate as well), the truck probably just didn't have as many amps running through the grid as he should have (didn't know GM trucks even had rear defogger grids to be honest). Probably would have been reflected in system voltage, if it has a gauge package (volt meter).


    PS Oh I see, an Avalanche, yeah I guess they do have a rear defogger, I was thinking full size truck
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    Bus issue redux

    The prior explanation regarding the GMC Bus was from the dealer (Not sure if this is the most reliable source....). These new bus systems are far more software dependent than the older systems.

    Again, I think that if the undersized alternator was on an older model vehicle, either the battery would drain, or all the systems would equally be deprived of current (though the resistance grid requiring a larger load may see a larger drop off in current), or both would occur. And, unless one knows how the new bus is intended to operate, one can easily get into trouble adding farkles or working on these systems.

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    From back on page 1: Drive line splines do not exist on the K1300 bikes. Also, the teeney little clutch on the R-bikes is replaced by a strong multi-plate wet clutch.

    No more taking the thing halfway apart to check and lube splines. BTDT and I don't miss it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BILLDENNES View Post
    From back on page 1: Drive line splines do not exist on the K1300 bikes. Also, the teeney little clutch on the R-bikes is replaced by a strong multi-plate wet clutch.

    No more taking the thing halfway apart to check and lube splines. BTDT and I don't miss it.
    Good to know. I presume this is the same with the K1200GT as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BILLDENNES View Post
    From back on page 1: Drive line splines do not exist on the K1300 bikes. Also, the teeney little clutch on the R-bikes is replaced by a strong multi-plate wet clutch.

    No more taking the thing halfway apart to check and lube splines. BTDT and I don't miss it.

    - not to be a wiseguy but do you mean these splines that I lubed up this weekend on my 1300??
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    Well....mostly I'm concerned with those damn clutch/input shaft splines. I had those splines go out on a '92 K75 way back when and my R started showing symptoms last year. I lubed them on the R about 3-4K miles ago and all seems ok, so far.

    Looks like the rear drive on your K just pivots down and out of the way, exposing the splines. Is it really that easy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 86755 View Post
    .....Looks like the rear drive on your K just pivots down and out of the way, exposing the splines. Is it really that easy?
    Short answer YES, it is almost identical to the R

    I am in process of documenting this as a DIY for the Wedge Tech Library but the process is very similar to this: R Style Spline Lube
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