Results 1 to 11 of 11

Thread: Smoother engine/Valve adjust:)

  1. #1
    Polarbear Polarbear's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Clovis,CA
    Posts
    4,220

    Smoother engine/Valve adjust:)

    GSA1200'07 here and at 33000 miles. I just did another valve adjust to mine and have done all of them since new. Geting ready for Tennessee. My engine was running pretty darn good, but I figured I'd do a check on the valves before the cross country jaunt to the Rally. With nearly every check on my valves, I've had to "Slightly" loosen the two front lower exhaust valves, back to .012, as they had ever so slightly tightened. I still could get a .012 feeler in there but it was hard. FYI, the adjust is actually "noticable", resulting in a smoother engine indeed. My point! It does not take much to change how the engine runs, with these new engines. I thought it was running perfect before, now it is really running perfect, so smooth, nearing my K bikes smoothness of the past. For a twin, thats saying a lot! Check yours for some ever so slight adjustments, if needed. randy

  2. #2
    A bozo on the bus deilenberger's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Location
    Spring Lake NJ, USA
    Posts
    8,557
    Good point Randy.. I intend to go over mine before I leave for TN.. and if no one has ever correctly set the rocker arm endplay - this also will make a major difference in how smooth the bike is. It usually only needs doing once - but most mechanics just check that it's within spec (which is a very wide spec..) and consider that good enough. Getting it right - at the low end of spec makes a big difference in engine vibration and noise.

    See the Hexhead tech section for a good writeup by SemperFi.
    Don Eilenberger http://www.eilenberger.net
    Spring Lk Heights NJ NJ Shore BMW Riders
    '12 R1200R - I love this bike!

  3. #3
    preacherman1
    Guest
    Hey guys, I'm brand new to doing my own service on my R1200RT 05, I did my first valve adjustment and it made a big difference. Scared me to death I was going cost me more money after I fouled it up. But I think I did notice that the one rocker arm had more play on it ( I think intake ). Is this something I should mess with or take it to shop. I does have more vibration than I was hoping for.

  4. #4
    Geeeeeeeeek. andrewsi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Near Seattle
    Posts
    213
    Hey Deilenberger -

    I was looking over SemperFi's article on the valve adjustment and where it discusses rocker arm end play, it's not terribly descriptive about exactly what you have to loosen up in order to be able to tap it into spec. Is it just completely obvious when you get in there as to which bolts are controlling that clearance, or is there any clarification that can be made? I'm not afraid of doing my own valve adjustments, but my bike's pretty new and the dealer did the 600 mile run-in check, and I'm only about halfway to the 6k, so I haven't really had occasion to open it up myself yet.

    Thanks!
    Andy
    His: 2009 R1200 RT, in Biarritzblau
    Hers: 2008 Aprilia Scarabeo 500ie

  5. #5
    Polarbear Polarbear's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Clovis,CA
    Posts
    4,220

    I've not even looked at mine;

    Rocker end play is something I worry about on my old R100/7, but my new GSA1200, I don't even look at it! I check the valves, thats it. The head bolts are only supposed to loosened once at the 600 mile service and I let the dealer do that one. Done 'em all since myself. I'm pretty sure the rocker play would have to have the head nuts loosened and its not supposed to be done again after the 600? Anyhow, mine is so near perfect, I cannot even imagine it getting better or smoother. Another point, is the rocker end plays(too tight) on the older airheads would definately affect the idle of those engines and a tell tale sign somethings wrong! My 1200 shows no sign of tight rockers. Randy PS;use two feeler gauges as you check these new engines valve clearances. Do both at the same time, each side, exhaust2 and intakes2...Its how I was told

  6. #6
    A bozo on the bus deilenberger's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Location
    Spring Lake NJ, USA
    Posts
    8,557
    The rocker arm endplay DOES make a difference. As good as your bike may feel now - if there is excessive endplay in a rocker - you're getting noise and vibration that can be eliminated.

    My rule of thumb is - with the rocker in a valve adjusting position - I try moving the rocker up/down. If I hear a soft "click" - it's fine.. near the lower end of the spec. If I hear a "klack" - it needs adjusting.

    I think SemperFi's writeup is as clear as one could make it - he highlights the bolts and the one nut that have to be loosened (and then retorqued). One head bolt is loosened - and it should only have to be done once (and retorqued once.) This is supposed to be part of the 600 mile service - but so far - counting R11's I've done, I have never found one that I'd consider done right. Most of them are at the far end of the specification (wide.)

    And yes - it could be a problem if you overtighten them - but remember to listen for the "click" (which you can also feel in the rocker when you do it) and you'll be just fine. When I did my R12R - the mirrors on it went from being decorative blurry things to useful mirrors.

    YMMV - but when seeking perfection, I doubt if it will much..
    Don Eilenberger http://www.eilenberger.net
    Spring Lk Heights NJ NJ Shore BMW Riders
    '12 R1200R - I love this bike!

  7. #7
    Honey Badger Semper_Fi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Kingston, NH
    Posts
    5,725
    Quote Originally Posted by andrewsi View Post
    Hey Deilenberger -

    I was looking over SemperFi's article on the valve adjustment and where it discusses rocker arm end play, it's not terribly descriptive about exactly what you have to loosen up in order to be able to tap it into spec.......
    Andrew - Can you please point out where it is not terribly desciptive about how to adjust the rocker end play.

    I want to ensure that the information is being presented in a clear, intelligible manner.

    Gladly will modify for clarity.

    Luis
    2011 R1200 GSA Smoke Grey Metallic Matt
    2009 G450X White
    IBA #35651
    Rogue Moderator

  8. #8
    Geeeeeeeeek. andrewsi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Near Seattle
    Posts
    213
    I see now I was looking in the wrong place. You have a whole article there on rocker end play adjustment! No more questions from me. :-)
    Andy
    His: 2009 R1200 RT, in Biarritzblau
    Hers: 2008 Aprilia Scarabeo 500ie

  9. #9
    Polarbear Polarbear's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Clovis,CA
    Posts
    4,220

    It can be done,but:

    Every time after the 600 service, you loosen the studs, you threaten the integrity of them and they can pull loose. I've had two 1100's that did it in the earlier years,'95 and '96..., pulled the threads right out of the block and its always the lower front ones that fail! Its a big job to fix, so know this, loosening your heads. Its not something taken lightly in BMW shops. Of course the rockers are an obvious concern and should be looked at, but I will not loosen my heads again after the above happened to me, without some very serious concern my rockers are too tight. I WILL look close the next time in. Thanks Randy

  10. #10
    not so retired henzilla's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    CENTEX USA
    Posts
    10,945
    Randy,
    Hoping that is one area that was improved with the Hexheads! I cringe when angle torquing the oilheads at times for sure. Have had great luck on all so far, but the stories are always in my head....saying" BE Careful!"

    The young mechanics at most dealers make me check everything after they do the 600 service. Not about youth more than experience and shop hours average they need to meet. I have found two cases of them not checking or maybe an honest overly wide setting on the rocker arms on two newer Hexheads.
    Steve Henson-Mod Team and past prez SABMWRA

    Be decisive, right or wrong.The road of life is paved with
    flat squirrels who couldn't make a decision~unknown

  11. #11
    A bozo on the bus deilenberger's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Location
    Spring Lake NJ, USA
    Posts
    8,557
    Randy - no argument.. which is why I suggest it only be done once. Or not at all if it was done correctly at the 600 mile service.
    Don Eilenberger http://www.eilenberger.net
    Spring Lk Heights NJ NJ Shore BMW Riders
    '12 R1200R - I love this bike!

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •