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    Quote Originally Posted by BeemerMike View Post
    But, as I've said for countless times, I am NOT saying to use BMW brand oil.

    I give up, Don. You have the con.

    Definitely not countless, but my discussion about BMW oil was with Don until you butted in. Are you a lawyer by chance???

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimVonBaden1 View Post
    Definitely not countless, but my discussion about BMW oil was with Don until you butted in. Are you a lawyer by chance???

    Jim
    Oh brother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deilenberger View Post
    Gas wasn't the problem. BMW initially blamed it on the oil (well - initially they blamed it on the customers.. that's not a surprise..) used. They then claimed that there were some batches of bad bearings installed, and a bad oil pump. They then did a 2nd go around with the oil pumps (some cars got them twice..) The final outcome was - new bearings, new oil pump, extended engine warranty for anything touched by oil to 100k/6 years, and the new oil specification. There are a lot less reports of them blowing up since they took these actions..
    Sounds to me that it was not just simply the oil, by your own words. Pump, brgs, oil with an extemely high VI, and very thermally stable. (really good oil to save an inheranty flawed design)

    The point that I was trying to make is that as long as you use a oil that is rated for the application there should be nothing to worry about. Assuming of course that the engineers did there home work before hand.

    But maybe Michelle Moore was right, fear=consumption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigAdv View Post
    Sounds to me that it was not just simply the oil, by your own words. Pump, brgs, oil with an extemely high VI, and very thermally stable. (really good oil to save an inheranty flawed design)

    The point that I was trying to make is that as long as you use a oil that is rated for the application there should be nothing to worry about. Assuming of course that the engineers did there home work before hand.
    Absolutely agree.. in the case of BMW boxer engines, BMW engineers call for SG/SH, and different viscosities for different temperature conditions. I think we can be certain if you follow those recommendations (and change interval recommendations) you won't experience an oil related engine failure. If you venture off into oils that don't meet the specifications, you're taking the risk upon yourself if there is an oil related failure.

    But maybe Michelle Moore was right, fear=consumption.

    Earl
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    Quote Originally Posted by FredRydr View Post
    Oh brother.
    No kidding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimVonBaden1 View Post
    Definitely not countless, but my discussion about BMW oil was with Don until you butted in.
    Start reading at about post #22, and see who "butted in". The discussion was about API classifications and the ZDDP content of various oil brands and API classifications. The discussion NEVER was about using BMW oil vs. using non-BMW oil.

    You jumped in with an assertion that BMW could not deny a warranty claim for not using BMW oil. Nobody, including me, disagreed with you on that point. The discussion was whether BMW COULD (and not necessarily WOULD) deny a warranty claim for not using an oil with the specified API classification (i.e., SG/SH). Using BMW brand oil is ONE way to get the SG/SH classification, but it is clearly not the only way.

    Just because you are not personnally aware of BMW ever denying a warranty claim based on API classification of the oil does not mean it is not possible. BMW has an history of denying warranty claims based on "blaming the owner" (see Don's posts for examples). You may feel that the risk of warranty claim denial is too small to worry about, and therefore you are comfortable using whatever oil you want. And that's OK by me . . . I won't try to change your decision. But others may not want to take the small risk and may decide to select their oil during the warranty period accordingly (i.e., and use an SG/SH oil).

    One of the points of this forum is to disseminate information so people can make informed decisions. Jeez Louise!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FredRydr View Post
    Oh brother.

    Fred
    +1. I didn't realize forum discussions were private, I'm glad the Internet Gendarme alerted me before I butted in too. And before anyone asks, I'm not an attorney either, not that there's anything wrong with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FredRydr View Post
    Oh brother.

    Fred
    ++2!

    Time to change the oil in this thread!

    ...and a few diapers!

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    synthetic

    Time to change the oil....Grafikfeat


    Is it OK to use SM in my new Subaru; it's still under warranty?

    Rinty

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    Quote Originally Posted by rinty View Post


    Is it OK to do S&M in my new Subaru; it's still under warranty?

    Rinty

    I think that's a bit personal, don't you?

    RM

    (OK. so its a slow day at work, what can I say???)

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    synthetic

    I'm outa' S & M now, even during slow days.

    Rinty

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    Hi folks - just a gentle reminder about the whole "play nice" thing in the posting guidelines. Irritating snipes and trolling are best left to forums where they are welcomed.

    Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted View Post
    Will be interesting to see how this one plays out...

    THREAD:"under warranty luckily ,but already being questioned about oil & service performed before the dealer will submit anything to BMW"

    He drops a valve on a new bike and they question oil?

    What a dealer, because I would avoid them like the plague!

    Jim

    EDIT: After reading, it looks like the dealer is just getting the facts, they are not saying they will not cover it if he did his own service.

    "under warranty luckily ,but already being questioned about oil & service performed before the dealer will submit anything to BMW.Still had dino oil, and I did the 6K prior to the RA due to time constraints and no appt available at dealer."
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimVonBaden1 View Post
    He drops a valve on a new bike and they question oil?
    And reality comes knocking. Ouch!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeemerMike View Post
    And reality comes knocking. Ouch!
    Nice, real nice! You almost seem happy that you are ALMOST, maybe, being proved correct at someone else's expense.

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