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    Mikey -

    Nice...an R69S...what year? Looks like we had a discussion about this around a year ago.

    If you don't mind, I'd like to move your post over to the Vintage forum where you first mentioned your acquisition of the bike.
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    '78 R100/7 & '69 R69S & '52 R25/2
    mine-ineye-deatheah-pielayah-jooa-kalayus. oolah-minane-hay-meeriah-kal-oyus-algay-a-thaykin', buddy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 20774 View Post
    Mikey -

    Nice...an R69S...what year? Looks like we had a discussion about this around a year ago.

    If you don't mind, I'd like to move your post over to the Vintage forum where you first mentioned your acquisition of the bike.

    1963, sure! its been de- scooterized and a few bits added/subtracted.

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    My old and new.

    I've had my "64 R50 for about a year now. Bought it fully restored. The restorer thought is was a factory re stamp (636315) but never seen sure what that means.
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    '20 R1250RS, '64 R50/2

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    Looks like a nice R50/2. What made them think it was a restamp? Are the numbers the same on the frame and engine? I certainly don't know all that goes down at the factory, but I believe they made unmarked cases that might be needed if an original case were damaged somehow during assembly or delivery. An over stamp would be pretty obvious as is use of the wrong numbering and logos.
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    mine-ineye-deatheah-pielayah-jooa-kalayus. oolah-minane-hay-meeriah-kal-oyus-algay-a-thaykin', buddy!

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    two R60/2s from 1967

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    2017 R1200RT, 2019 R1250RT, 1967 R60/2

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    Quote Originally Posted by 20774 View Post
    Looks like a nice R50/2.
    IMG_0796.jpeg What made them think it was a restamp? Are the numbers the same on the frame and engine? I certainly don't know all that goes down at the factory, but I believe they made unmarked cases that might be needed if an original case were damaged somehow during assembly or delivery. An over stamp would be pretty obvious as is use of the wrong numbering and logos.
    Engine and frame match along with the front emblem. There are no logos around the stamp on the engine which is why they thought a possible re stamp. Would they have stamped an unmarked case if they used it to replace the engine or case?
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    '20 R1250RS, '64 R50/2

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    Quote Originally Posted by daveyator View Post
    Well firstly because the restorer told me he thought it might be. Engine and frame match along with the front emblem. There are no logos around the stamp on the engine. Would they have stamped an unmarked case if they used it to replace the engine or case?
    Could you post a good closeup of the engine stamp? I would have thought that if BMW stamped it, even as a spare or replacement, then the roundel logos would be on either side of the numbers.

    Here's a thread on the Vintage site show a variety of VIN numbers:

    https://vintagebmw.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=7408

    On another thread, a person with an R90S had a VIN with the letter "R" at the end which is surmised to be a restamp or replacement case.

    Edit --- I see you slipped in a picture!! I wonder if you could take another picture a bit farther away and with better lighting so to see the surrounding metal. I'll say that the engine surface seems quite different than most I've come across. I sort of noted in your other picture how muted the engine case was...I would have thought that it should be shinier than that. Could be the restored did some blasting of the surface...that might have been done to mask over anything that might have happened with the VIN stamp.

    Does seem a bit fishy with no logos around it.

    You might consider getting in touch with BMW archives to see what they might say. In this thread at the top of the page:

    https://forums.bmwmoa.org/showthread...nd-Build-Dates

    There's an email address that you could use to shoot them a message with what you know about the bike. You might show them your picture of the VIN numbers and ask if their records show any need to restamp the case and/or what did BMW actually do at the time if/when a case needed to be restamped.
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    mine-ineye-deatheah-pielayah-jooa-kalayus. oolah-minane-hay-meeriah-kal-oyus-algay-a-thaykin', buddy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 20774 View Post
    Could you post a good closeup of the engine stamp? I would have thought that if BMW stamped it, even as a spare or replacement, then the roundel logos would be on either side of the numbers.

    Here's a thread on the Vintage site show a variety of VIN numbers:

    https://vintagebmw.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=7408

    On another thread, a person with an R90S had a VIN with the letter "R" at the end which is surmised to be a restamp or replacement case.
    Sorry was just doing that and editing my post for clarity!
    '20 R1250RS, '64 R50/2

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    Quote Originally Posted by daveyator View Post
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    Engine and frame match along with the front emblem. There are no logos around the stamp on the engine which is why they thought a possible re stamp. Would they have stamped an unmarked case if they used it to replace the engine or case?
    I emailed your recommended link about VINs. They feel the numbers aren't factory font so most likely a shop stamped an unmarked case after a repair.
    '20 R1250RS, '64 R50/2

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    Thanks for the update. I guess you were leaning that direction from the previous restorer...now you have more to add to that.
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    mine-ineye-deatheah-pielayah-jooa-kalayus. oolah-minane-hay-meeriah-kal-oyus-algay-a-thaykin', buddy!

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    This is my current 1968 R60/2. I had another /2 that I bought in the 80's and rode for many years. I restored it in the 90's but when my son was born in '02, I parked it. I kept meaning to go through it and get it on the road again, but it sat in various garages as I got divorced and moved twice. I had other, newer bikes to ride.

    In 2016 I was determined to get the /2 running again before my son graduated from high school, but I decided to trade my original /2 "as is" and some cash to Scottie's Workshop in Santa Clara, CA for this 1968 that was ALREADY restored.

    Happy ending. Son hasn't graduated yet, and shows zero interest in riding, but I sure like the bike!

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