are you tired of the whining?

Visian said:

it's clockwork orange run amok!

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it's a typical tea party with the realtives round. Sometimes emotions run high when there is only one crumpet left!

Actually, the point of the link to the UK GS site was to show how, when localised, it's not so vocalised.

There's every possibility you could encounter someone you may have a contrary opinion to. The UK is a small place at the best of times, so compartmentalising it tends to throw folk together more often. Here, it's sucha large country and the MOA treats it as one entity, there's very little chance of such encounters, unless you go looking for them at rallies, so you can throw scurrilous comments around, take jibes at the mods and whoever you want, then hide.

Regional forums is one way to resolve this, another is the noticeboard thread..posting events at local levels usually only generates "Are you going? Shall we meet? type posts and not... "if you go it means you are a fascist, communist, liberal, conservative, gay, straight, white, black, harley rider, small cc, toss pot, or, "it's too far away", "it's too small", "it's too big," "the organisers have a hidden agenda""they don't have an agenda" and all the bollocks I've seen here on this site...

I'm sure even with local level forums, there'd be someone wanting to start an arguement, but a quick "WTF was that all about?" the next time they encountered a fellow local may resolve it...embarrassement factor is a great deterent.

It would also tie the BMWMOA in with affiliate clubs more closely.

Motor31 said:

This really needs to go to the doghouse. It's run it's course and between the folks hijacking it and others just taking cheap shots it really has no discussion purpose any more.

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(Hijack on)

So you are tired of the whining.

(Hijack off)

SIBUD said:

(Hijack on)

So you are tired of the whining.

(Hijack off)

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Like I said before.

"Is starting a thread whining about whining not just whining squared?"

Perhaps the thread would have been doghoused earlier had it been started by another person, say not a moderator?

Motor31 said:

Perhaps the thread would have been doghoused earlier had it been started by another person, say not a moderator?

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Point WELL taken.

Motor31 said:

Like I said before.

"Is starting a thread whining about whining not just whining squared?"

Perhaps the thread would have been doghoused earlier had it been started by another person, say not a moderator?

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So far the thread has stayed within BMWMOA forum guidelines as to content and behavior. No reason to doghouse it.

This forum has opened up many opportunities, not all or them are good.
In fact, if one is talking to someone, and one feels they are "whining" about something, they have already made up their mind that the person
has no valid point. That does not mean it is, or isn't valid, that is merely the conclusion the listener's has reached. As far as the OP, it is unfair if all of these accusations are unfounded. However, the organization should be transparent to insure that they stay unfounded. There is certainly large amounts of money in the Club coffers, and we all know what happens when you mix people, large mounts of money, and no accountability or transparency. There is a chance for dishonesty. It would be a shame to see something like that happen to the BMWMOA.

Roy, you said:

large mounts of money, and no accountability or transparency. There is a chance for dishonesty. It would be a shame to see something like that happen to the BMWMOA

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It would be a shame, but since there is accountability - and the Bylaws are pretty clear on how transparency is achieved:


I'd have to guess you were simply hypothesizing.. eh? Good thing we DO have these protections built in already IMHO.

deilenberger said:

Roy, you said:
It would be a shame, but since there is accountability - and the Bylaws are pretty clear on how transparency is achieved:

Section 10. Treasurer

The treasurer shall be the chief financial officer of BMW MOA and shall exercise those duties customarily assumed in that office, including the preparation of financial reports as the board of directors may direct, and such other duties as the board may assign. The treasurer shall cause to be published in BMW Owners News semiannual reports of the financial status of BMW MOA, of which one report shall be as of the end of each fiscal year.

All BMW MOA checks and negotiable instruments shall be signed by any two of the following: the president, the vice-president, the secretary, the treasurer, or their authorized agents approved by the board of directors. For the International Rally account only the treasurer may authorize the rally treasurer to be the single signature for checks not to exceed an amount to be specified by the board. ​

I'd have to guess you were simply hypothesizing.. eh? Good thing we DO have these protections built in already IMHO.

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Yep. Good guess. I never said there was any funny business going on, and if I gave the impression the organization was not transparent, I apologize. I was merely indicating what could happen if a dishonest person or group of people was elected. I don't really follow the club issues that closely anyways. I just like to party with the members.

Rapid_Roy said:

This forum has opened up many opportunities, not all or them are good.
In fact, if one is talking to someone, and one feels they are "whining" about something, they have already made up their mind that the person
has no valid point. That does not mean it is, or isn't valid, that is merely the conclusion the listener's has reached. As far as the OP, it is unfair if all of these accusations are unfounded. However, the organization should be transparent to insure that they stay unfounded. There is certainly large amounts of money in the Club coffers, and we all know what happens when you mix people, large mounts of money, and no accountability or transparency. There is a chance for dishonesty. It would be a shame to see something like that happen to the BMWMOA.

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Same goes for being accused of "ranting" The practice of shouting down by accusation and insinuation is unfair, and is a passive agressive way of saying I disagree with you and want you to stop stating your opinion. I have seen this done, usually by the same bully (s) in the crowd, thankfully few and far between.

If this forum is only for those who agree OR if the forum and/or this club is only for the experts of the crowd who are always right and everyone else is wrong , then it would be time for me to move on; but fortunately it's not. The forum in the majority are fair participants are great people.

redclfco said:

Same goes for being accused of "ranting" The practice of shouting down by accusation and insinuation is unfair, and is a passive agressive way of saying I disagree with you and want you to stop stating your opinion. I have seen this done, usually by the same bully (s) in the crowd, thankfully few and far between.

If this forum is only for those who agree OR if the forum and/or this club is only for the experts of the crowd who are always right and everyone else is wrong , then it would be time for me to move on; but fortunately it's not. The forum in the majority are fair participants are great people.

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Hey Red,

You saying I'm wrong?

That's what I like about this place. We can be not serious with each other, like I just was, and no one takes offense.

Except for that one old grouch (not naming names ).

Ride well. Ride West. Have a great time.

This forum has opened up many opportunities, not all or them are good.

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What did you guys do before the WWW afforded this communication?
Argue through the Letters to the Editor page?

As they say... A house divided...

Just my~