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    Re: Weeelllll ...

    Originally posted by RickM

    So, when do they go live?
    Check Rob's comment. It's a topic of board discussion at this time.

    Thanks for your comments, Rick. Really.
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    I like the way BMW Sport Touring. com does it on their forum. They just have a separate part of their forum called "Classifieds" for the use of sale items.

    It is for use by members of the web site, and has listings that are for personal use only. The individual just posts an item, and when it's sold, they place a new post on their thread that says item sold. Eventually a moderator will come along and remove the post.

    I use it a lot for browsing and information.

    I also believe it is one of the reasons that their web site has far more activity than this one. Not that I dislike this one in any way.

    Just my 0.02 and IMHO.

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    It seems to me...

    that the reason to add a feature is not soley to break new ground or compete with others. You might want to consider the prospect of being left behind. If this forum had never started and if the newsletter had stayed B&W any other organization could have easily upstaged the MOA with a beautiful color magazine and on-line forum. The next big leap might be an on-line magazine or newspage. On-line classifieds are already the norm and we are being left behind. At the very least the MOA should provide a location to display pics of items sold in the ON Fleamarket. But, if they're gonna do that they might as well just add a classifieds forum to this website. At this point it seems less like a problem of adding a service and more like a decision to prevent it from happening!

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    And another thought ...

    Long term, I don't think the addition of classifieds to this site would hurt the paper ads in the ON. I am also a member of GWRRA. The (members only) online classifieds hover between 75 to 100 posts per week, and the print classifieds in the back of Wing World are always substantial.

    To my way of thinking, (and from an organizational leadership/business perspective), the real issue is not so much one of membership usage of one or the other, but a strategic plan that effectively utilizes both.

    Next, I see a key question as, "How could such a plan be positioned to attract more paid advertisers to the print publication?"

    IMO, if you can answer both those questions in a way that creates a win/win for the two advertising groups (members & vendors), then you have a great opportunity for growing the membership, fostering forum participation, increasing ON distribution, and expanding the vendor base.

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    Thanks for all the good ideas.

    As you may know we have been putting in a huge investment into the website as well as back end systems in the office.

    In a few days members and guests will for the first time be able to securely register for our International Rally. People are already using the secure section of the site to join and renew memberships as well as make purchases from the Country Store.

    The completion of the build up to have real security is what we have been calling Phase 1 of Project E! This has been in progress for just over a year.

    The primary goal of Phase 1 is to provide a secure connection to the member database at the 'MOA office to allow E-services on the website. There is a wealth of information available that we can not post on a public site, this connection will enable us to divide the site between members and guests. We anticipate member benefits to include access to some archives of the Owners News including tech features and product reviews. Some of our content will be enhanced and expanded when we can be assured that it is only for the benefit of our members.

    Phase II will incorporate many of the ideas discussed here as well as a visual update of the site. Part of this update will to incorporate a complementary look between print and web.

    At this time 1,841 registered users of a membership of close to 38,000. The Owners News reaches each member and it is our flagship publication as well as the official record of the 'MOA. We must be very careful in making sure we do not devalue any of the benefits of the Owners News. We are looking at ways for the site and magazine to work together. An excellent example of this is the R12GS scoop on line followed by a review in the Owners News. In the future it is possible that additional material available on the website would be referenced in print. As the number of registered users increases it will be easier to justify more services.

    Regarding the specifics of flea market ads I think we all agree that there will be a time when members will be able to utilize the website for advertising. What I find very interesting is that many people use the on-line form for submitting ads to the magazine and when this form does not work it is a big problem. There are issues such as timing (do we hold on-line ads until the magazine is mailed) and if it is a static board (cycle trader, IBMWR) or forum based. Another un-resolved question is should the ads be visible to the public but only posted by members, or just member to member.

    Because everything with the website is still new ground your board is being very cautious. Things like this forum and the new E-Commerce are benefits that have a real cost and will need to maintained by volunteers and some contractors. We need to make sure we take all of these issues as well as any impact on policy before introducing new services.

    As always we appreciate your comments. I would like to close with the observation that I have not met anyone on the board who is against anything that we can show will be a benefit to our members so long as the cost and effort are realistic. Because of the size of the organization we need to be very careful so there will be situations when we will take extra time.

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    'Nother Suggestion

    It would be helpful if there was a link page for each ON Issue. Not a link that takes you to the issue, but a page that holds the links talked about in the issue, including advertisers. Yes, this could be in a members only section.

    Something that would make me leave the site is the use of advertisements to the level that some sites use them. A nice balance I think is the AMA (http://www.ama-cycle.org/) there are advertisement links on the "public" area but not in the "members" area. Seems a fair balance.
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    Originally posted by Rob Nye
    At this time 1,841 registered users of a membership of close to 38,000. The Owners News reaches each member and it is our flagship publication as well as the official record of the 'MOA. We must be very careful in making sure we do not devalue any of the benefits of the Owners News. We are looking at ways for the site and magazine to work together. An excellent example of this is the R12GS scoop on line followed by a review in the Owners News. In the future it is possible that additional material available on the website would be referenced in print. As the number of registered users increases it will be easier to justify more services.
    If you have an area where MEMBERS ONLY can access the issues in PDF format, that would be great. I just don't get a lot of value from the hardcopy and would prefer the electronic format - saving the organization on shipping and printing costs, and maybe saving a tree or two in the process.

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    Are there any plans for a live forum where you can communicate instantly? I would assume that would be an expensive proposition. Just curious.
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    Originally posted by lorazepam
    Are there any plans for a live forum where you can communicate instantly? I would assume that would be an expensive proposition. Just curious.
    It has not been considered. Just because it has not been considered does not mean it is a bad idea. If you would like to persue it for us try a google search on chat services and see if you can come up with some figures.

    We are in the process of preparing the site for the future. As we firm up the foundation of the site we appreciate all feedback and ideas on things that would benefit our members. For any idea If we felt enough members would utilize the service and it had a reasonble cost to provide I can't see why we would not try to offer it.

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    Originally posted by lorazepam
    Are there any plans for a live forum where you can communicate instantly? I would assume that would be an expensive proposition. Just curious.
    Originally posted by Rob Nye
    It has not been considered. Just because it has not been considered does not mean it is a bad idea.

    For any idea If we felt enough members would utilize the service and it had a reasonble cost to provide I can't see why we would not try to offer it.
    I've been on other forums, message boards, etc. that also had chat rooms. I've found that other than teenagers and porn there is not much desire for chat.

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    I doubt there are a lot of teens on this site who would chat . I think it would be great to be able to set up a quick ride, or possibly be able to help someone with a bike problem live.
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    Originally posted by lorazepam
    I doubt there are a lot of teens on this site who would chat . I think it would be great to be able to set up a quick ride, or possibly be able to help someone with a bike problem live.
    I agree! Sometimes just posting on a forum is just too slow.

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    Originally posted by lorazepam
    Are there any plans for a live forum where you can communicate instantly? I would assume that would be an expensive proposition. Just curious.
    There are lots of solutions available for this already. I guess the first thing is to have people who actually want to get together and chat instantly.

    I use MSN Messenger, feel free to take a guess of my user name

    Also when the board is really flying with activity it becomes pretty close to instant.
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    There are already spots on your profile to enter your:

    ICQ Number:
    AOL Instant Messenger Handle:
    Yahoo Instant Messenger Handle:

    Which is fine if you know who you want to chat with.

    As far as setting up a ride or get-together maybe numerous regional email lists would work better. Use just for rides, no exceptions. I think it would require a lot of additional resources.

    Besides there are already numerous things just like it, at least in the northeast, so why duplicate efforts?

    MarkF

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    Don't know my ICQ number
    dong have AOL or Yahoo.
    I will deal with it I guess.
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