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    Quote Originally Posted by cjack
    The filter that originated on the K bikes in 1985 is #11 42 1 460 845. The new K engine is using #11 42 7 673 541. It is smaller in general and uses a different filter tool.

    cjack -
    Thanks.
    Do you have any aftermarket filter numbers for the new "K" bike???
    The filter tool I bought from NAPA; but I would like to cross the filter over to a Purolater Pure One filter.
    Thanks, again.

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    Fram Oil Filters Recalled
    About a week ago, Less Criess who works for the Washington Motorcycle Road Racing Association (WMRRA), wrote that, although they hadn't had any problems with FRAM oil filters, a hot rumor said that some FRAM models were being recalled: "At our practice and race days this past weekend (April 16-17) we found NO suspect FRAM 6017 filters. It was a pain pulling fairing lowers and checking all the bikes that might have had them (FRAM 6017 fit Honda CBR600F2s and F3s as well as Yamaha Seca IIs) but it was well worth the effort just to be sure!"
    We got the run-around for a few days while trying to verify this, until today (April 20th) when FRAM sent out the following admission:

    Safety Recall
    FRAM PH6017 Motorcycle Filters

    To All Customers:

    This notice is sent to you in accordance with the requirements of the
    National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act. (Gee, FRAM, it's a bit
    late to try and cover your ass.)

    Allied-Signal Automotive Aftermarket, marketers of FRAM oil filters, has
    determined that a defect which relates to motorcycle safety exists on
    certain FRAM motorcycle oil filters. This effects the FRAM PH6017 oil
    filter purchased from Allied-Signal between January 1, 1995 and March 16,
    1995, The filter has "Made in Korea" printed in silver letters following
    the Allied-Signal address on the side of the filter.

    The PH6017, produced in Korea, is being recalled for thread problems
    which could affect installation resulting in the filter blowing off in
    service.

    To correct this condition, all PH6017 oil filters marked "Made in Korea"
    should be returned to the dealer for immediate credit. All dealers
    should return the filter to:

    Attention: Joyce Cole - RC195
    AlliedSignal Automotive Aftermarket/Bemis
    105 South Missouri Street
    Jackson, TN 38301

    For PH6017 filters that have been dealer installed, all service and
    required parts as described in this letter will be provided free of
    charge.

    The work will take approximately 30 minutes to complete. However,
    additional time may be required depending on how dealer appointments are
    scheduled and processed. To obtain this free service, contact your
    dealer as soon as possible to schedule an appointment.

    If you have any problem obtaining the needed repair, please contact
    AlliedSignal directly at 1-800-468-904. An AlliedSignal representative
    will arrange for prompt attention to your vehicle.

    We regret any inconvenience which this action may cause you. However, we
    are concerned about your safety. If your dealer fails or is unable to
    remedy this defect without charge and within a reasonable time, you may
    submit a written complaint to the Administrator, National Highway
    Traffic Safety Administration, 400 Seventh Street, S.W., Washington, D.C. 20590,
    or call the toll-free Auto Safety Hotline at 1-800-424-9393.

    Thank you for your attention to this important matter.

    Is this an honest mistake or are they pinching pennies at our expense? We think it's the latter, so: Shame on you, FRAM, for trying to cut costs and utilizing cheap labor to make an extra buck or 10,000. And we'd be really pissed if the "Made in Korea" was actually "Made in North Korea," though that's not very likely. Don't be pinching pennies and jeopardizing motorcycle riders' lives anymore.
    Thanks to Tedd Speck for typing in the FRAM press release.

    There is a reason FRAM oil filters are cheap: They are cheeeeeeep.

    Here's the LAST oil filter you'll ever need to buy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlearl476
    There is a reason FRAM oil filters are cheap: They are cheeeeeeep.

    Here's the LAST oil filter you'll ever need to buy.

    Read this Oil Filters and see why you would never buy one. Holes are just too darn big to filter out a lot of junk.

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    David,

    So on the basis of one recall of one model oil fiter in a line up of quite a few if not well over 100, you fault the entire company. Gee what will you do if there is a recall of a BMW component?

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    The people that spend their spare time dissecting and examining all of the little parts of oil filters say great things about the Purolator PureONE filters, $5.49 each at Amazon.com. Unfortunately, they're on back order
    Daren Schultz
    99 R1100R
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    Quote Originally Posted by darencs
    The people that spend their spare time dissecting and examining all of the little parts of oil filters say great things about the Purolator PureONE filters, $5.49 each at Amazon.com. Unfortunately, they're on back order
    Uh, Ok.
    That's good info.
    Now, can you tell me Specifically What the filter number is please?????????
    I am looking for direct information here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RTdavey
    Uh, Ok.
    That's good info.
    Now, can you tell me Specifically What the filter number is please?????????
    I am looking for direct information here.
    At Purolator's site, they list the ML16825 as the equivalent for the Fram PH6063. They do not list a PureOne equivalent.

    However, for the Fram PH3614 (or equivalent STP S3614), the equivalent Purolator filter is the L10241 or the PureOne PL10241.

    Hope that helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djw
    At Purolator's site, they list the ML16825 as the equivalent for the Fram PH6063. They do not list a PureOne equivalent.

    However, for the Fram PH3614 (or equivalent STP S3614), the equivalent Purolator filter is the L10241 or the PureOne PL10241.

    Hope that helps.
    Don -
    You are quoting these for the new "K" motor, the 2006 new GT right???
    Thanks.

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    Hi, RTDAVEY,
    NO, the 6063, 3614, ML16825 and whatever other numbers have been thrown around are for oil filters which (supposedly) fit the OLD K-motors. I haven't seen any info on aftermarket filters for the new K-motors.
    Ride Safe,
    Phil Marvin - El Paso, TX
    '94 K75A/3
    '95 K75RTP

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    Quote Originally Posted by RTdavey
    Don -
    You are quoting these for the new "K" motor, the 2006 new GT right???
    Thanks.
    davey,
    Oops, sorry, I missed that you were looking for the new K. As Phil said, those numbers are for the old K.
    Don

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    Good reference:

    http://www.calsci.com/motorcycleinfo/FilterXRef.html

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    change oil 3k...filter 6k.

    I recently purchased my first K ('85 K100). It came with a Bosch filter and the PO recomended them. My mechanic, who runs a small shop specialising in BMWs, recomended BMW filters only...he did a 'bosch, no' sound in a decent fake german accent. He recommends oil every 3k, filter change every second oil change. After reading the comments, his idea seems good. The advantage is frequent oil change, and by changing the filter every second time, I run BMW filters at half the cost!
    Denis

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    The oil filter for the K75, K100, and K1100 models are enclosed in a bath of oil. For that reason, I would avoid using any filter that is coated with black grip stuff that could be removed by sitting in that bath of hot oil for long periods of time.

    I would avoid any filter that looks like this -

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    Quote Originally Posted by angysdad View Post
    I recently purchased my first K ('85 K100). It came with a Bosch filter and the PO recomended them. My mechanic, who runs a small shop specialising in BMWs, recomended BMW filters only...he did a 'bosch, no' sound in a decent fake german accent. He recommends oil every 3k, filter change every second oil change. After reading the comments, his idea seems good. The advantage is frequent oil change, and by changing the filter every second time, I run BMW filters at half the cost!
    Denis
    Bonjour, Denis,
    BMW does not make filters. They buy oil filters, put the BMW logo on them, raise the price (a lot) and sell them through their parts system. The Original Equipment Manufacturer for your K-bike oil filters is Mahle. The filter number is OC-91.

    Years ago, Fram repackaged the OEM filter (Mahle OC-91) in the Fram box and renumbered it as the Fram 6063. I bought one. Later, they changed suppliers and the filters were painted black and manufactured in Italy. I bought one, thinking it was still the Mahle. I was disappointed when I opened the box. I have not bought one for a few years, but have heard they again changed suppliers, the new one being in China.

    Years ago, Fram was a well-respected brand. But seeing the construction of their automotive oil filters (cardboard end-plates and string holding things together), I changed brands of aftermarket filters. The brand of oil filter I'm most comfortable with now is ABF - Anything But Fram!
    Ride Safe,
    Phil Marvin - El Paso, TX
    '94 K75A/3
    '95 K75RTP

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    Quote Originally Posted by djw View Post
    At Purolator's site, they list the ML16825 as the equivalent for the Fram PH6063. They do not list a PureOne equivalent.

    However, for the Fram PH3614 (or equivalent STP S3614), the equivalent Purolator filter is the L10241 or the PureOne PL10241.

    Hope that helps.
    The reason Purolator does not recommend the auto filters for motorcycles is some motorcycle engines have roller crank bearings and generate very little oil pressure. I do not know all the engines with roller crank bearings but the original Kawasaki Z1 900s do. These type engines will not push enough oil through the auto filters, which tells one that the Purolator motorcycle specific filters really don't filter very well.

    Bosch filters were made by Champion labs, as were the Walmart Supertec filters and some other brands. Purolator recently bought Bosch filters. I ran Supertec 7317 filters on my K100LT and have one on my Honda ST1100. I think the Supertec quality has dropped, maybe not in the filter media but it has gone from a rubber bypass valve to a hard plastic one. Bosch and Purolator claim to have a 99% filtering ability at 20 microns.

    Any bike in warranty should use the oem or motorcycle model specific filter. Cuts down on warranty denials.

    Ralph Sims


    Ralph Sims

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