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    Considering trading R1150GS for F650GS

    I like my bike a lot, but I don't love it. For the money and time involved, I want to love my motorcycle.

    My primary use is daily commuting and weekend romps. Once or twice a year I'll take a long trip. On occasion, I carry a passenger, but not often. Money's tight right now, too.

    Want to help me build the list of pros and cons?

    Thanks, DZ

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    Sure I'll bite, short list:

    1150GS:
    Big husky PIG, Not as well off the beaten path as I'd hoped, but everything a MC should be for long commutes and longer trips. Back to back 1000 mile days, no problem.

    42-45 MPG

    Superior Comfort and Stability

    Can carry alot, plus a full sized passenger

    Traffic - Not to good (if I could) share lanes (Split)

    Hidden secrets lay under the Shaft and Final Drive

    Better brakes

    Much harder to maintain and cost are higher


    F650GSD:
    Light, flickable 'Piglet', works well off the beaten path, but not a MX/Dirt bike, either at 420lbs, engine is slow to build power.

    Capable of solo 600+ mile days in the saddle at 60-70 mph, anything over that gets tiring.

    57-65 MPG

    Comfortable enough for all day travel, but one-two hours anything is possible.

    If panniers added, can carry everything it's big brother can, minus a passenger.

    Definately a California Lane-Splitter, no doubt.

    Can ride better wheelies.

    Chain maintenance is easy

    Great brakes for a 650 Dual/Sport, with substancial 'Brake-Dive' ABS standard.

    Very easy to maintain, lower cost and time intervals between services.


    Same relative fuel range 200-miles per tank
    Grip Heaters
    ABS
    Four-Way Flashers
    Dual Sport Tires or Street tires available for both

    Stock seats suck for any longer distance travel


    End:

    Two up adventure travel with two-weeks worth of stuff = R1150/1200GS
    One up adventure travel with a months worth of stuff = Any and all of the above.

    I love my little F650GSD, if was the only bike I had or could have, it would do everything I want (except maybe take the Mrs. on long journeys).

    HTH, Dean


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    How much speed and acceleration do you need? The F650 can handle its own but it is not the fastest thing on the road. It is a fun nimble bike but I had a hard time dealing with it compared to my R1150RT.
    -=Brad

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    Good points, gentlemen, and I have to admit that one of the things I don't like about my 1150 is that it's not particularly quick or fast. Sounds like the F650 can be quick, but not fast.

    But I LOVE sitting up so high in traffic. There's something about seeing SUV drivers eye-to-eye that I loathe to give up. I'd just like sportbike handling, LT smoothness, and GS height.

    Maybe I need a K1200GS!!!! DZ

    PS: I've done my share of lane-splitting on the GS - with bags - and it's okay, as long as you like your adrenaline straight up. Even in completely stopped traffic (of which we have plenty), the problem is that other vehicles are SO gigantic now. A strange bike for a slalom course...

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    [QUOTE=deanzat] Sounds like the F650 can be quick, but not fast.

    But I LOVE sitting up so high in traffic. There's something about seeing SUV drivers eye-to-eye that I loathe to give up. I'd just like sportbike handling, LT smoothness, and GS height.

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    Dean the 650 will get up and move in the right gear and above 5000 rpm to red-line. It starts to die off around 85 and tops out annnn around 100 (96 stated) It cruises along at 70 well and with a better Cee Bailey or AeroFlow windscreen would take the wind off your chest better. But I'm not going to go bigger than the stock Dakar shield.

    On the Dakar (which is only about 4" higher than the standard) you are still up in the air and looking over stuff.

    But your last comment, sounds like you should be looking at an R-RT or K-GT. Just give up the dirt roads and you may be very happy, go find a used DR350 for about $2000 or less and take that out on the solo dirt trails.

    There is no bike that does everything great, but IMO the GS does a lot of things very well.


    Doc


    P.S. I'm also sorry to hear and have stayed up with your troubles on the GS you have. Sounds like it was just a bad apple.
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    Thanks Doc, but I'm still not willing to call the bike a bad apple; on some days I really enjoy it. I dreamed of owning one for so long, it's been hard for me to accept that it might be a bad fit overall.

    I had to play hundreds of guitars before I found MY telecaster.
    I had to fire dozens of pistols before I found MY Glock 30.
    I had to take thousands of photos before I found lenses to suit MY style.

    So, I may just have to try a few more bikes over the next few years.

    Looking at the state of the world, these are not bad problems to have. DZ

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    Quote Originally Posted by deanzat
    ... But I LOVE sitting up so high in traffic. There's something about seeing SUV drivers eye-to-eye that I loathe to give up. I'd just like sportbike handling, LT smoothness, and GS height.
    Ah-ha. I know the topic here is F650, but, you just described the R1200GS!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by deanzat
    My primary use is daily commuting and weekend romps. Once or twice a year I'll take a long trip. On occasion, I carry a passenger, but not often. Money's tight right now, too.

    Thanks, DZ
    An F650 could well be the bike for you. I have one and I only notice it's not the fastest bike on the road when I ride with somebody else (which isn't very often). Since buying the Dakar last year my trusty K100RS has more or less sat in the garage, coming out mostly to keep all the fluids circulating- the 650 is the presumptive bike of choice these days.

    Steve

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    If there is an award for the newest noobie here, I think I would win. I've been riding off road for decades and only about a seasons worth of road riding ~20 years ago...As of today 5/3/06, I've got 4 days of commuting under my belt and a grand total of ~500 miles since I bought the bike. One of those days spent in pelting rain..."Welcome back to biking"! I thought to myself riding home yesterday...
    I bought the 650 mainly for commuting ~80 miles per day and weekend trail riding with some friends.
    To be able to compare this bike to a RM125 or the bike used at the MSF training would be a joke. All I can say is that so far this bike fills the reasons I bought it wonderfully.

    Up high for good visibility, GREAT MPG, shadetree mechanic friendly, reliable, many after market parts, GREAT "specific" support group -f650.com-, off roadable -and when you compare the "buy in" to any other bike that can do EVERYTHING it can do as WELL as it can do it...Its just an awsome; commuter, winter beater, trail rider, tourer, mile muncher...type of bike.

    Can you tell I really like my F...?


    -Kutch

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    This is all very enticing information. Now here's something: I'm very sensitive to vibration; it's one of the things I actually hate about my 1150, because at 4k it sends a vibe through the seat that really stings my "riding partner." And yes, I've got a custom seat PLUS an Alaska sheepskin pad!

    If I'm sensitive to vibration, is that a deal-breaker? Thanks, DZ

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    It seems as though most bikes have a vibration at some speed or other, the 650 is no exception unless it is just ours. It sounds as though your 1150 has a doozie though, sorry to hear that. Did you track it down from where it eminates?

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    No, I don't think I've figured it out. I thought it might be the transmission, because it's definitely worse when I have all bags and a passenger on board.

    On the other hand, it's almost always at its worst right at 4k, which, based on this forum and others, tells me that it's normal engine vibration and I'm just not liking it very much. Perhaps I idealize the past, but I remember my Triumph Sprint (which I sold in 1998 or 1999) being smooth as butter at all speeds.

    Naturally, the guys who tune it say, "You're over-sensitive; this is one of the smoothest 1150GSs we've ever ridden." And they may be right, at anywhere other than 4k, it is pretty smooth. Unfortunately, 4k in 6th gear is freeway cruising speed around here, regardless of what the speedometer says (and I don't know, because I rarely look at the speedometer.).

    Thanks all; my inclination is to keep working with what I've got, so next tune-up I'll try a different shop and get a second opinion. In the meantime, I'm learning to ride around it. Thanks again, DZ

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    did you witch to synthetic in the tranny and rear drive yet? Just curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PUDGYPAINTGUY
    did you witch to synthetic in the tranny and rear drive yet? Just curious.
    Yup. I don't want to overstate the vibration case. I'm riding every day and enjoying my motorcycle, but I'm considering other possibilities. Even back when I sold my Triumph, I remember thinking that if I ever got another motorcycle, I'd get something smaller and lighter. So of course when I did get back into motorcycling, I got something bigger and heavier.

    Perhaps I'll just wait for a windfall and then ADD a smaller, lighter bike to the garage... DZ

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