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    Helmet communication system

    I've been sporting a Klim Krios Pro for the better part of two years and love the helmet. During that time I have resisted putting any kind of communication system in the helmet.
    Kinda old school that way, but there are certain advantages to having a helmet system.
    My question to the Community is, given the helmet, what is the best system to put in?

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    Welcome to the forum! There was a review of the Krios helmet a while back. See if there are any recommendations for a comm system in the review:

    https://forums.bmwmoa.org/showthread...-Helmet-Review
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    Might want to stay with hand signals.
    The last 4 years I have been running both a Sena and a Cardo on 2 different helmets and have been
    more than disappointed with both of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fmdualexhaust View Post
    Might want to stay with hand signals.
    The last 4 years I have been running both a Sena and a Cardo on 2 different helmets and have been
    more than disappointed with both of them.
    Can you tell a little more about why they disappoint you?
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    I don't have any experience with a Cardo newer than at least 10 years old so I can't compare Cardo to the Sena units I have been happy with the last 10 years. I moved from a SMH-5FM to the Sena 20 then to a Sena 50S in my own helmet and 5 years ago bought a 10S for my wife's helmet. I ride in groups of 5 or less, occasionally with my wife as pillion, or solo. Sena units have worked well for me. Units that offer mesh rider-to-rider communication are definitely a step up from Bluetooth rider-to-rider connections. Whether Sena is best or not I don't know but if I have to buy another one it will be Sena. I am an all weather rider of about 20,000 miles a year and while Sena does not use "waterproof" in specifications my experience is they are water resistant enough to live through long periods of moderate to heavy rain.
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    I remember when Autocomm and small Kenwood radios were the hot setup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    Can you tell a little more about why they disappoint you?
    No connection
    dropped connection
    poor customer service

    Both companies. Very annoying.

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    I also wear a Klim Krios Pro. I have used the Cardo PackTalk Bold unit since 2017.

    The unit is easy to install on the Krios, one can use either the JBL speakers that come with the PT Bold (wearing custom ear plugs) or use a set of Ear Buds. I have alternated between the two.

    Prior to switching to the Cardo PT Bold, I had several Sena units - 10 and 20 as I recall. They were not waterproof, which the Cardo PT Bold is. The Sena units would get wet in a rain and then cease to work. I think Sena replaced them 4 times for me.

    I like the Mesh Comms on the Cardo, we have a group of six that rode to the Copper Canyon last March, all equipped with the PT Bold units, the comms were excellent and seamless, once paired the first time, simple to do, one could enter and leave the group seamlessly.

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    The Cardo system has been great so far. My brother and I switched from Bold to Edge and our little 4 man group has a Slim and a Black (Bold) in it as well. We link up every time when we meet up at our local gas station. My brother and I had Sena with Schuberth and were underwhelmed with it to say the least, as it needed a reboot almost every time my brother and I wanted to connect. Never looked back after switching a few years ago. YMMV
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    Quote Originally Posted by robertsco View Post
    My question to the Community is, given the helmet, what is the best system to put in?
    One that you can hear at highway speeds. Now that would be a bonus!

    I have a Sena. Its sole purpose was to connect to my BMW Navigator V, listening to the built-in radio and my MP3 player. All I can say is, what a waste of money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlobalRider View Post
    One that you can hear at highway speeds. Now that would be a bonus!

    I have a Sena. Its sole purpose was to connect to my BMW Navigator V, listening to the built-in radio and my MP3 player. All I can say is, what a waste of money.
    Try the Cardo and you will hear your GPS, Radio, MP3 or, dare I say it, your phone.... .
    Besides connectivity between riders, listening to other sources was barely possible too... YMMV
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    Quote Originally Posted by RIDERR1150GSADV View Post
    Try the Cardo and you will hear your GPS, Radio, MP3 or, dare I say it, your phone.... .
    Besides connectivity between riders, listening to other sources was barely possible too... YMMV
    The only way that is going to happen is if the shop gives me a unit I can try for the weekend with the possibility of a full refund.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlobalRider View Post
    The only way that is going to happen is if the shop gives me a unit I can try for the weekend with the possibility of a full refund.
    Too bad you are far away, I've got a Cardo PT Bold loaner unit I have let many folks try and I'd be glad to let you try it as well. Each person that has tried it has then bought one for themselves.
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    The "best system to put in" if you want full compatibility with the radio that came with your BMW is the BMW system ... called BMW Communicator.
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    I don’t think there is a “best” system, it’s a matter of what works best for you. Unlike some of the other responses here, I’ve been using Sena units since the 20s and I’ve been generally happy with them. Since I did my purchases on Amazon and Revzilla, the couple of times I did have issues with a unit I was able to exchange them without issue.

    At least for the Sena units, sound quality and volume is sensitive to speaker positioning in the helmet. They need to be positioned directly over the ears for the best volume and quality. Just a little off and it will drastically affect both.

    I think head shape, helmet type, and speaker type all need to line up. So again, I believe the “best” system is the one that matches up with you on an individual basis.

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