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    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    My standby generator is built in to my Roadtrek camper van. Thus it is not an off-road gasoline engine. And if I were in California at a location where the power went out due to power company negligence you can bet I would start it up and run an extension cord and plug in. For routine use I have solar panels on the roof of the van. Every now and then I will run the generator for 5 minutes so I can microwave something.
    It sounds like one of the generators they are going to ban….that being gasoline powered. It sounds like RV manufacturers will be able to go with propane although it probably means an upsize in output size to compensate.
    My guess is that you have an Onan Emerald 4K? I have the same in my M/H.
    Quick and easy to have temporary power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    My standby generator is built in to my Roadtrek camper van. Thus it is not an off-road gasoline engine. And if I were in California at a location where the power went out due to power company negligence you can bet I would start it up and run an extension cord and plug in.
    The video said you can still use the generator you own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    The video said you can still use the generator you own.
    The presenter in the video clearly deals in what we in sales call FUD. Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. He ignores the facts and spins up some fear, which some here apparently swallowed whole.

    Same with rules regarding the end of ICE vehicle sales here. You can keep using your ICE vehicle, just like you can keep using your generator or yard maintenance equipment. I have a garage full of motorcycles and I don't expect that they will banned from the road at any point in my lifetime. Vehicle culture runs deep here. Recreational motoring is a thing, unlike lots of the country and there's just no way that ICE vehicles are going to wind up banned here as EVs take over.

    End of sale != End of usability.

    But 2030 is going to be a big year. Toyota rolled out 15 EV concept vehicles yesterday. Ford and GM are each investing billions in on shore battery production and vehicle manufacturing. They're also bringing up chip manufacturing plants. We're a decade away from a full inflection into EV power plants. Consider what we had ten years ago for battery technology and the like vs what we have now. Lucid sells a car with 1000hp and a 500 mile range.

    For generators, this is the replacement technology in its earliest stages: https://www.goalzero.com/shop/shop/g...QaAmoKEALw_wcB

    The 1kw costs about the same as my Honda generator and with a 1kw capacity, it won't take much solar to keep it topped up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbasa View Post
    The presenter in the video clearly deals in what we in sales call FUD. Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. He ignores the facts and spins up some fear, which some here apparently swallowed whole.

    Same with rules regarding the end of ICE vehicle sales here. You can keep using your ICE vehicle, just like you can keep using your generator or yard maintenance equipment. I have a garage full of motorcycles and I don't expect that they will banned from the road at any point in my lifetime. Vehicle culture runs deep here. Recreational motoring is a thing, unlike lots of the country and there's just no way that ICE vehicles are going to wind up banned here as EVs take over.

    End of sale != End of usability.

    But 2030 is going to be a big year. Toyota rolled out 15 EV concept vehicles yesterday. Ford and GM are each investing billions in on shore battery production and vehicle manufacturing. They're also bringing up chip manufacturing plants. We're a decade away from a full inflection into EV power plants. Consider what we had ten years ago for battery technology and the like vs what we have now. Lucid sells a car with 1000hp and a 500 mile range.

    For generators, this is the replacement technology in its earliest stages: https://www.goalzero.com/shop/shop/g...QaAmoKEALw_wcB

    The 1kw costs about the same as my Honda generator and with a 1kw capacity, it won't take much solar to keep it topped up.
    I was trying to let people know they can still use their generator in California.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    I was trying to let people know they can still use their generator in California.
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    As it moves into the landscape industry-

    California moves toward ban on gas lawn mowers and leaf blowers-

    https://www.latimes.com/california/s...d-leaf-blowers

    If your looking to stay ahead of this, keep an eye on the dates. I guess one could just buy out of state.

    And yeah, everyone seems to dislike the noise of lawn equipment but most are not interested in paying the up-charge to do without it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega Man View Post
    As it moves into the landscape industry-

    California moves toward ban on gas lawn mowers and leaf blowers-

    https://www.latimes.com/california/s...d-leaf-blowers

    If your looking to stay ahead of this, keep an eye on the dates. I guess one could just buy out of state.

    And yeah, everyone seems to dislike the noise of lawn equipment but most are not interested in paying the up-charge to do without it.

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    All my friends in New England have moved to Ego electric stuff. None of them are using gas except for snow blowers these days. I've got an electric leaf blower, electric hedge trimmers and no lawn. The school behind me uses all electric stuff except for the mowers they use on the soccer fields. It's kinda the norm where I am. The only folks using gas powered stuff are mostly the pros.

    With the drought, nobody has a green lawn anymore, so mowing isn't really a thing and with the county paying people $3/sq. ft. to remove lawns, there are fewer and fewer lawns here to mow.

    And, once again, remember that you can continue to use your gas powered stuff, but they won't be offered for sale here any longer after the cut off date. It's a few years off, but the market has already started providing solutions.

    Why do you seem so fascinated with what goes on out here? Isn't Mass. on board with eliminating ICE as well: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...gas-cars-2035/ It's taking effect where you are the same year as us.

    With regard to gas engine devices like generators and the like, official legislation hasn't yet passed, but is expected by 7/1/22 and the ban won't take place until 2024. So, we've got 2.5 years to figure it out. Most of us are already set and the market has solutions. As far as generators go, check out some of the 3.5kw battery packs and the like.

    And thank you for spelling the name of my state correctly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbasa View Post
    All my friends in New England have moved to Ego electric stuff. None of them are using gas except for snow blowers these days. I've got an electric leaf blower, electric hedge trimmers and no lawn. The school behind me uses all electric stuff except for the mowers they use on the soccer fields. It's kinda the norm where I am. The only folks using gas powered stuff are mostly the pros.

    With the drought, nobody has a green lawn anymore, so mowing isn't really a thing and with the county paying people $3/sq. ft. to remove lawns, there are fewer and fewer lawns here to mow.

    And, once again, remember that you can continue to use your gas powered stuff, but they won't be offered for sale here any longer after the cut off date. It's a few years off, but the market has already started providing solutions.

    Why do you seem so fascinated with what goes on out here? Isn't Mass. on board with eliminating ICE as well: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...gas-cars-2035/ It's taking effect where you are the same year as us.

    With regard to gas engine devices like generators and the like, official legislation hasn't yet passed, but is expected by 7/1/22 and the ban won't take place until 2024. So, we've got 2.5 years to figure it out. Most of us are already set and the market has solutions. As far as generators go, check out some of the 3.5kw battery packs and the like.

    And thank you for spelling the name of my state correctly.
    Beyond being a PSA (public service announcement), my amazement is only specific to your state because it seems like it is the first to institute it. While I would like to discuss how taxpayers feel about buying lawn, I’m pretty sure that wouldn’t go well
    I also wonder if the big push to electric power, BTW- https://forums.bmwmoa.org/showthread...electric-house , is a premise for a return try at generating power through atomic fusion?
    I’m a big fan of electricity in general but it has to perform (for me) real close to its ICE replacement for me to get on board.
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    For several years (in Kansas) I had a gasoline powered weed wacker (string trimmer). I needed to use it on a couple of spots in the five acres about twice a year. Every time I needed to use it the process resembled either world war III or a Three Stooges comedy trying to start it and make it run. After the little plastic priming bulb broke, and starting fluid did not impress it I finally threw the bedeviled device away. I bought an electric one.

    The one I bought was a plug-in so I sometimes needed a long cord. I still have and use that one here in Texas, 16 years later. If I were to get one today I would get a battery powered one and be very happy. The improvements in battery technology in the past ten years is amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega Man View Post
    Beyond being a PSA (public service announcement), my amazement is only specific to your state because it seems like it is the first to institute it. While I would like to discuss how taxpayers feel about buying lawn, I’m pretty sure that wouldn’t go well
    I also wonder if the big push to electric power, BTW- https://forums.bmwmoa.org/showthread...electric-house , is a premise for a return try at generating power through atomic fusion?
    I’m a big fan of electricity in general but it has to perform (for me) real close to its ICE replacement for me to get on board.
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    We figure it's going to cost us about $20 - 25K to put in storage and panels. But, we'll never pay for electricity or power again. If we have enough capacity to charge an EV, we'll never buy fuel except to go in the hot rods and the bikes. Add in an ability to have energy security and storage for a couple/few days - before we start using our cars as storage for the house, and I think it's financially viable.

    Here's the thing I see. People seem to have difficulty conceptualizing providing power in ways other than centralized generation. Clearly, here in Ca., transmitting power over long distances has lead to our fires. So is it good for us anywhere out here in the west to be transmitting power over long distances? I think we're at a tipping point as photovoltaics gain efficiency and costs continue to decline where its not only financially viable, but financially advantageous to move to residential generation.

    At the utility level, renewables are now cheaper than coal: https://www.irena.org/newsroom/press...titors-on-Cost

    I'd say that if we modeled energy generation on phone technology, we're about ready to see the equivalent of the first smartphones when it comes to home power generation. It's close.

    As a side comment, we don't have much water. Most folks don't have lawns. We offer rebates for things like installing high efficiency water fixtures, faucets, furnaces and water heaters as a way to help minimize water usage. Lawns are already expensive to maintain, so a small financial incentive is pretty OK with the folks here. As another example, I was able to get a Flume water usage monitor I installed on my water meter. I can tell you exactly how much water we use. I can tell if my irrigation gets a leak or if there's a leak in the house in our radiant floor heating. $50. The water district is fine with investing in conservation efforts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega Man View Post

    And yeah, everyone seems to dislike the noise of lawn equipment but most are not interested in paying the up-charge to do without it.

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    Not me I like the sound of lawn equipment in my neighborhood even on Sunday morning. It means everyone is keeping it looking good. I have both electric & gas powered everything. My electric stuff is 82 volt & my gas powered stuff is top of the line. I use the electric for the light work & the gas for the heavy work. My electric mower takes one hour and two batteries to cut my lawn & my gas powered mower takes 20 minutes. I do like my electric leaf blower to clean my deck, porch & sidewalk because I can keep it in the house & with a push of a button it is working.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saddleman View Post
    Not me I like the sound of lawn equipment in my neighborhood even on Sunday morning. It means everyone is keeping it looking good. I have both electric & gas powered everything. My electric stuff is 82 volt & my gas powered stuff is top of the line. I use the electric for the light work & the gas for the heavy work. My electric mower takes one hour and two batteries to cut my lawn & my gas powered mower takes 20 minutes. I do like my electric leaf blower to clean my deck, porch & sidewalk because I can keep it in the house & with a push of a button it is working.
    Sounds perfect to me
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    My state, Kommiefornia, is full of stupid. Banning generators, when they will be needed more and more, is just virtue signaling. Sure, generators make dirty power, but you only use them when you have to. Not everyone is rich enough to have a Tesla power wall, and the government forgets that all too often. I can't want to leave this state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saddleman View Post
    Not me I like the sound of lawn equipment in my neighborhood even on Sunday morning.
    You should tour Europe then, where the national bird is the long-necked weedeater... you can hear it sing all. day. long.





    I find the noise from power equipment to be the most absolutely annoying, buzz-killing experience ever, especially at sunset. It's even worse than constant spewing about coronavirus in every thread imagineable.

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    I can't want to leave this state.
    But... but.... the riding in remote NorCal is among the best in the world!

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